Will Cloned Humans Be Sentinent?

Grey_Wolf · 10-19-2003, 01:19 PM

A baby's first impression is usually it's mother and then it goes on from there gathering impressions as it grows up and begin to speak and so on...

But clones "grow" up in "growing" beds so they won't have that opportunity. Or will they have their impressions imprinted on their minds?

What's your opinion?

Percy Weasley · 10-19-2003, 01:36 PM

I'm rather confusesd by the assumptions you make...what do you mean by "cloning beds?"

Clones are born in the regular way after being implanted in surrogate mothers. Of course they will be sentient - your first impression has nothing to do with cognitive power. It is true that you are, indeed, shaped by the circumstances of your first years, but I don't understand where you are coming up with the idea that somehow babies will be raised in, if I may, "baby-farms."

From all I have heard in the news and on the radio, if humans are cloned, it will be mainly for parents that have trouble having children, and their "mother" will give birth to them, and raise them like any other child...

Your assumptions sound rather as if they come from a science fiction novel...where have you heard such things?

Grey_Wolf · 10-19-2003, 01:43 PM

Well, I guess it has a sort of Sci fi sound to it. But what's to stop mad dictators or generals from doing it the factory way.

Percy Weasley · 10-19-2003, 01:49 PM

The same thing that is stopping them from doing it with artificial insemination - the fact that they still need the mothers.

Cloning does not remove the women from the procedure - they are needed just as much as with a traditional birth. In my mind, it is just another version of artificial insemination, but one that would work if the mother or the father is sterile.

In addition, large scale human cloning would be very expensive, and very impractical. It took thousands of tries to even get Dolly, and then she had severe health problems...I don't think you have anything to worry about any time soon.

Grey_Wolf · 10-19-2003, 02:06 PM

Well, that's a relief.

jerseydevil · 10-19-2003, 02:19 PM

Grey Wolf - a really good book on what you are talking about (SciFi) is Cyteen(contains first 26 pages to read). I've mentioned it in several other threads where the subject of cloning comes up and it brings up a lot of issues. It's about a political leader/scientist who is murdered and then she is cloned and raised to try completely duplicate her upbringing so she can replace her former self and be the "same person" and continue on "her life".

By the way - in Cyteen - they're called "womb tanks".

Grey_Wolf · 10-19-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Grey Wolf - a really good book on what you are talking about (SciFi) is Cyteen(contains first 26 pages to read). I've mentioned it in several other threads where the subject of cloning comes up and it brings up a lot of issues. It's about a political leader/scientist who is murdered and then she is cloned and raised to try completely duplicate her upbringing so she can replace her former self and be the "same person" and continue on "her life".

By the way - in Cyteen - they're called "womb tanks".

Thank you. Will try to get hold of it

10-19-2003, 01:19 PM	#1
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	Will Cloned Humans Be Sentinent? A baby's first impression is usually it's mother and then it goes on from there gathering impressions as it grows up and begin to speak and so on... But clones "grow" up in "growing" beds so they won't have that opportunity. Or will they have their impressions imprinted on their minds? What's your opinion?

10-19-2003, 01:36 PM	#2
Percy Weasley Enting Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Burrow Posts: 81	I'm rather confusesd by the assumptions you make...what do you mean by "cloning beds?" Clones are born in the regular way after being implanted in surrogate mothers. Of course they will be sentient - your first impression has nothing to do with cognitive power. It is true that you are, indeed, shaped by the circumstances of your first years, but I don't understand where you are coming up with the idea that somehow babies will be raised in, if I may, "baby-farms." From all I have heard in the news and on the radio, if humans are cloned, it will be mainly for parents that have trouble having children, and their "mother" will give birth to them, and raise them like any other child... Your assumptions sound rather as if they come from a science fiction novel...where have you heard such things? __________________ Whither you go, may you find light. Await us there--my brother, and me. ~~~~~~~~ Howard Dean in 2004! Last edited by Percy Weasley : 10-19-2003 at 01:37 PM.

10-19-2003, 01:49 PM	#4
Percy Weasley Enting Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Burrow Posts: 81	The same thing that is stopping them from doing it with artificial insemination - the fact that they still need the mothers. Cloning does not remove the women from the procedure - they are needed just as much as with a traditional birth. In my mind, it is just another version of artificial insemination, but one that would work if the mother or the father is sterile. In addition, large scale human cloning would be very expensive, and very impractical. It took thousands of tries to even get Dolly, and then she had severe health problems...I don't think you have anything to worry about any time soon. __________________ Whither you go, may you find light. Await us there--my brother, and me. ~~~~~~~~ Howard Dean in 2004!

10-19-2003, 02:19 PM	#6
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Grey Wolf - a really good book on what you are talking about (SciFi) is Cyteen(contains first 26 pages to read). I've mentioned it in several other threads where the subject of cloning comes up and it brings up a lot of issues. It's about a political leader/scientist who is murdered and then she is cloned and raised to try completely duplicate her upbringing so she can replace her former self and be the "same person" and continue on "her life". By the way - in Cyteen - they're called "womb tanks". __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 10-19-2003 at 02:24 PM.

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10-19-2003, 01:43 PM	#3
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	Well, I guess it has a sort of Sci fi sound to it. But what's to stop mad dictators or generals from doing it the factory way.

10-19-2003, 02:06 PM	#5
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	Well, that's a relief.