Rosie Cotton

Kirinki54 · 04-16-2005, 04:26 PM

How much did she know about what was going on?

Twista · 04-17-2005, 09:17 AM

When? - During the war of the ring?

**Nurvingiel** · 04-21-2005, 04:30 PM

Rosie is awesome. But I doubt she knew more about the War of the Ring than the average hobbit. The only hobbits who knew anything were Bilbo, Merry, Frodo, Pippin and Sam.

Then, Sam's Gaffer would have known a small amount about Sam going to Crickhollow with Frodo, and that would have trickled down through the grape-vine to all the other Hobbiton hobbits.

Snowdog · 04-21-2005, 04:35 PM

I think Rosie did quite well in dealing with Sam's PTDSS.

(Post Trumatic Delayed Stress Syndrome)

Butterbeer · 04-21-2005, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirinki54

How much did she know about what was going on?

i don't know about "going on" but i think she maybe sensed to some degree the hero within SAM
(in terms of what had happened)
both in general terms and to Sam personally

...er. why do you ask?

The Gaffer · 04-22-2005, 07:20 AM

IMO, a lot, but not about dragons or elves or rings or other such trivia.

How important she is depends on how you view the overall story.

Recently, I've come to view LOTR as essentially Sam's story. He is the true hero, and the one who ultimately stays rooted in real life.

If you accept Sam as the central character, then Rosie represents the (off-screen but nevertheless) central feminine aspect of the idealised Shire.

There are some strong hints of this in the last 2 chapters. She states "they all said you were dead, but I've been expecting you since Spring", suggesting that she had an inner knowledge about her and Sam's fate. Then of course she and Sam produce this enormous brood of Fairbairns who take over the world.

It's only when she dies that the last of the ring-bearers finally leaves Middle-Earth.

Rosie Gamgee · 04-27-2005, 09:38 AM

Rosie's great!! (gee, I wonder why I think that?) Seriously, I love Rosie C. I love her firey spirit and her no-nonsense attitude: "Well be off with you! If you've been looking after Mr. Frodo all this while, what d'you want to leave him for, as soon as things look dangerous?" I like that when she notices that Sam cannot explain things to her and that what she says may have hurt him a little, she amends with, "I think you look fine, Sam. Go on now! But take care of yourself, and come straight back after you settled the ruffians!" Kind of, "Well, you left me to go look after your master; and now when he's in serious danger you change your mind and come to my door? Okay, okay, I'll admit it: I forgive you and I love you. Just you go and 'settle the ruffians', but afterwards, get your butt back here--I'm tired of waiting for you!"

Here's a bit quote I just found, which I love:

"I think the simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty.

- J.R.R Tolkien in a letter dated 1951

paulbaggins · 04-28-2005, 06:21 PM

Rosie Cotton could be any women who has stood by and seen her friend, husband go off to fight for what he believes in. She is the constant person back home. Of course it takes Sam the whole story to work out that she is the woman for him , but then is not just the way we men are?

Lenya · 06-16-2005, 06:53 AM

It is really cool that she took him back and she didn't even make his life so hard for leaving her. A kind and forgiving woman, Sam's lucky. And I agree that she gave Sam some strenght to keep him on track during their adventure.

EarthBound · 06-16-2005, 08:24 AM

Rosie was more the "dream" of what Sam hoped for, far from a reality he'd left behind....Sam really, "found his worth" on the adventure, and was more than ready to claim Rosie when he returned, he made it a point to check in on her and her family for strategic reasons

I love their relationship....very cool...

Lenya · 06-17-2005, 03:19 PM

Yes. I'd be happy if some guy who left me to go on an adventure took the effort of checking up on me as soon as Sam did. Clever guy.

Akallabeth · 06-19-2005, 07:36 PM

Their relationship in the story almost reminds me of Odysseus and Penelope. I love that story, which could be one of the reasons why I love Sam so much.

Lenya · 06-20-2005, 07:34 AM

Hey, congrats on your first post and welcome!

Odysseus as in Greek Mythology Odysseus? If so, I didn't know his wife's name was Penelope.

Akallabeth · 06-20-2005, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenya

Hey, congrats on your first post and welcome!

Odysseus as in Greek Mythology Odysseus? If so, I didn't know his wife's name was Penelope.

Thanks for the kind welcome.

Yeah, you know the stories of Odysseus's many adventures. Well, before he left, he told his wife, Penelope (which means weaver) to find a new husband once she finished the blanket she was weaving. So she wouldn't have to abandon Odysseus, Penelope unwove her loom every night until he returned.

So I suppose this idea of waiting for a lover (or potential lover, in Rosie's case) is a parallel between these two stories. I wonder if Tolkien had this in mind.

Lenya · 06-23-2005, 01:01 PM

Could be. I suppose a lot of writers have a secret knowledge of Greek Mythology.

CrazySquirrel · 06-24-2005, 07:48 AM

Come on, Rosie is not Penelope. Penelope waited for a VERY long time...
And Sam was absent for a year only, after all. If he were away for 3 years, I am sure Rosie would have married another guy. She was just an ordinary country lass, not an epic hero.

Akallabeth · 06-24-2005, 12:14 PM

I didn't mean that Rosie was Penelope. I was simply seeing a slight parallel theme. Plus, Tolkien was attempting to create a mythology, so it might make sense if he tweaked themes from other myths.

***Earniel*** · 06-25-2005, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazySquirrel

Come on, Rosie is not Penelope. Penelope waited for a VERY long time... And Sam was absent for a year only, after all. If he were away for 3 years, I am sure Rosie would have married another guy. She was just an ordinary country lass, not an epic hero.

And why can't an ordinary country lass decide to wait more than a year for her lover to come home before marrying someone else? It's not like country lasses are by definition less faithful than heroes.

CrazySquirrel · 06-25-2005, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eärniel

And why can't an ordinary country lass decide to wait more than a year for her lover to come home before marrying someone else? It's not like country lasses are by definition less faithful than heroes.

I don't say that country lasses can't be faithful. Only waiting for a year does not make Rosie an epic hero. There are plenty of epic heroes in LOTR, Rosie is just not one of them.

Ribbons · 06-30-2005, 11:09 PM

I'm confused... I just joined and I think I'm typing in the wrong place.

04-16-2005, 04:26 PM	#1
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	Rosie Cotton How much did she know about what was going on? __________________ 'They need more gardens,' said Legolas. 'The houses are dead, and there is too little here that grows and is glad. If Aragorn comes into his own, the people of the Wood shall bring him birds that sing and trees that do not die.'

04-17-2005, 09:17 AM	#2
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	When? - During the war of the ring? __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

04-21-2005, 04:35 PM	#4
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	I think Rosie did quite well in dealing with Sam's PTDSS. (Post Trumatic Delayed Stress Syndrome) __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

04-27-2005, 09:38 AM	#7
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Rosie's great!! (gee, I wonder why I think that?) Seriously, I love Rosie C. I love her firey spirit and her no-nonsense attitude: "Well be off with you! If you've been looking after Mr. Frodo all this while, what d'you want to leave him for, as soon as things look dangerous?" I like that when she notices that Sam cannot explain things to her and that what she says may have hurt him a little, she amends with, "I think you look fine, Sam. Go on now! But take care of yourself, and come straight back after you settled the ruffians!" Kind of, "Well, you left me to go look after your master; and now when he's in serious danger you change your mind and come to my door? Okay, okay, I'll admit it: I forgive you and I love you. Just you go and 'settle the ruffians', but afterwards, get your butt back here--I'm tired of waiting for you!" Here's a bit quote I just found, which I love: "I think the simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty. - J.R.R Tolkien in a letter dated 1951 __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

04-28-2005, 06:21 PM	#8
paulbaggins Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 14	Rosie Cotton could be any women who has stood by and seen her friend, husband go off to fight for what he believes in. She is the constant person back home. Of course it takes Sam the whole story to work out that she is the woman for him , but then is not just the way we men are? __________________ [B]The road goes ever on and on down from the house where it began

04-22-2005, 07:20 AM	#6
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	IMO, a lot, but not about dragons or elves or rings or other such trivia. How important she is depends on how you view the overall story. Recently, I've come to view LOTR as essentially Sam's story. He is the true hero, and the one who ultimately stays rooted in real life. If you accept Sam as the central character, then Rosie represents the (off-screen but nevertheless) central feminine aspect of the idealised Shire. There are some strong hints of this in the last 2 chapters. She states "they all said you were dead, but I've been expecting you since Spring", suggesting that she had an inner knowledge about her and Sam's fate. Then of course she and Sam produce this enormous brood of Fairbairns who take over the world. It's only when she dies that the last of the ring-bearers finally leaves Middle-Earth.

06-16-2005, 06:53 AM	#9
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	It is really cool that she took him back and she didn't even make his life so hard for leaving her. A kind and forgiving woman, Sam's lucky. And I agree that she gave Sam some strenght to keep him on track during their adventure.

06-16-2005, 08:24 AM	#10
EarthBound Lady Tipple & Queen of Blessed Thistle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I've been told it's all in my head Posts: 916	Rosie was more the "dream" of what Sam hoped for, far from a reality he'd left behind....Sam really, "found his worth" on the adventure, and was more than ready to claim Rosie when he returned, he made it a point to check in on her and her family for strategic reasons I love their relationship....very cool... __________________ Beer + Pizza = N'uff said Happy to be here The HACBR has been alerted to my postings…..Hobbits Against Constant Beer References Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin I want my Mooter T-Shirt!

06-17-2005, 03:19 PM	#11
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Yes. I'd be happy if some guy who left me to go on an adventure took the effort of checking up on me as soon as Sam did. Clever guy.

06-19-2005, 07:36 PM	#12
Akallabeth Sapling Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: teeny little town... Posts: 14	Their relationship in the story almost reminds me of Odysseus and Penelope. I love that story, which could be one of the reasons why I love Sam so much.

06-20-2005, 07:34 AM	#13
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Hey, congrats on your first post and welcome! Odysseus as in Greek Mythology Odysseus? If so, I didn't know his wife's name was Penelope.

06-23-2005, 01:01 PM	#15
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Could be. I suppose a lot of writers have a secret knowledge of Greek Mythology.

06-24-2005, 07:48 AM	#16
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	Come on, Rosie is not Penelope. Penelope waited for a VERY long time... And Sam was absent for a year only, after all. If he were away for 3 years, I am sure Rosie would have married another guy. She was just an ordinary country lass, not an epic hero.

06-24-2005, 12:14 PM	#17
Akallabeth Sapling Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: teeny little town... Posts: 14	I didn't mean that Rosie was Penelope. I was simply seeing a slight parallel theme. Plus, Tolkien was attempting to create a mythology, so it might make sense if he tweaked themes from other myths.

06-30-2005, 11:09 PM	#20
Ribbons Sapling Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6	I'm confused... I just joined and I think I'm typing in the wrong place.

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