Saruman At Scouring of the Shire! Confirmed!

Comic Book Guy · 02-17-2002, 09:10 PM

In an Interview with a German Magazine, Orlando Bloom answered a contoversial question that Tolkien Purists debate over, Sarumans Death.

Quote:

BRAVO: You also play in the two sequals. Can you tell us anything?
Orli : In part two I hunt orcs together with Gimli and Aragorn. In part 3 the Hobbits turn back, and find that Saruman has taken over power in their land (and I did a VERY crappy translation on that one)

Please let this be!

LuthienTinuviel · 02-17-2002, 09:42 PM

WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
that is FAVOURITE part of thebooks!
i hope so!
best news of any sort ive heard since friday ( i was in a bad car accident)

thank you for brightening my day!

Laurelyn · 02-17-2002, 10:21 PM

Oh heck, I hope it's true i hopeit'strueihopeit'strue . . . I was really unhappy about the fact that they were supposedly going to cut the Scouring, so this is REALLY great news!

Arathorn · 02-17-2002, 10:35 PM

For someone who spent an hour of sleep in the office, that certainly is a rousing story. Hrum Hoom! I feel less Treeish already. HRUUM HOOOOM!

'wonder how they'll finally do away with Curunir/Saruman in the film?

Twilight · 02-17-2002, 11:05 PM

I am happy now. I am glad that they decided to do that part. It shows the strength of the hobbits. They are weak, comic relief to begin with in the first movie. The Scouring really shows how much the hobbits have been changed by the journey.

Renille · 02-17-2002, 11:27 PM

Oh thank goodness. Someone here before the movie said that he was going to be impaled on a spike or something like that...maybe that will still be...but at least the Scouring will be there!YES!

FrodoFriend · 02-17-2002, 11:34 PM

I never really liked the Scouring that much, it's really an anticlimax. But it's better than Saruman dying on a spike! Plus we get to see the Shire again, yay!!

luinilwen · 02-17-2002, 11:36 PM

happy news to find that the scouring of the shire remains, however it does indeed look dubious whether saruman will be alive to return to the shire as "sharky."

i think they'll have him die in TT and the hobbits will return to the shire to mend the damage while saruman remains a shish-kebab

that's my theory now anyway...

emplynx · 02-18-2002, 12:06 AM

Good. I hope his doesn't get impailed like those pictures show...

emplynx · 02-18-2002, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FrodoFriend
I never really liked the Scouring that much, it's really an anticlimax.

The anticlimax of the end was the purpose. I read something about that topic once... I am to tired to think of why.

Hapira_Brandybuck · 02-18-2002, 01:44 AM

there's nothing saying that the wheel thing isn't one of his additions to the Shire.... sure it would look right in the Shire but... isn't that the point of Saruman's takeover?

what I'm saying is that it could've been there all along and we just misinterpreted it

Evenstar · 02-18-2002, 02:54 AM

Thank goody goodness!!!

This was a great part of the book!!!

coolismo · 02-18-2002, 03:51 AM

a scan of the article...
http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/pictures/bravo2.jpg

Nibs · 02-18-2002, 03:53 AM

That seems to conflict with the other interview with Ian where he says Christopher is impaled... but that's assuming that both of them were true...

I'd really like to see the Scouring of the Shire in the third film, though. I agree with Twilight... it really shows how much those hobbits grew from when they first left their homes (figuratively, of course)... However, I think PJ will do great with it either way. I was surprised at how well the first one came out, aside from the minor changes that may well work for its benefit... (after all, New Line did this as an investment... not for us fans

)

Play Girl · 02-18-2002, 02:46 PM

I am so glad that they have decided to keep the scouring of the shire in the film. It is a great ending, or well almost ending to the book. First time I read it I was like ok the ring is destroyed now end the book already but when I re-read it I understood how it stood for that although the four hobbits had achieve so much all they had really achieved in Hobbiton was keeping it the same and that was what mattered even though no one else really seemed to understand or care that much about what had happened to them. Also a nice tie in to Frodo leaving.
Had the same effect on me as the ending of Lord of the Flies. If you haven't read that book yet go and read it now!
Rant over
Play Girl
xxx

Comic Book Guy · 02-18-2002, 03:10 PM

This is my own speculation, but it seems clear that Sarumans death in Hobbiton is caused by him falling on the Mill, instead of his violent and more gruesome death by having his throat slashed by Grima. Looking back on that interview though, why did Orlando Bloom even mention the Scouring? It had no relevance to his question.

coolismo · 02-18-2002, 05:01 PM

why would a mill wheel in hobbiton have a spike though, (I mean what are they grinding there ...the missing entwives?) wouldn't a spike wheel be more in line with orthanc and that gear they have for wrecking the trees?

markedel · 02-18-2002, 05:09 PM

Ah the sig has prevailed

coolismo · 02-18-2002, 05:27 PM

The schedule would surely be that the live action for TT has been completed by one filming unit whilst the cgi and effects will lag by a few months. Therefore McKellen is alluding to the live shots he has been involved in with Chris Lee and the effects are being added around now. My bet is that Gandalf and Saruman have some sort of rematch of the bust up at orhanc and Saruman falls from the tower onto a spikey wheel used for rending trees. There are loads of wheels in FOTR. McKellen is alluding to this I think and it would fit with what we've seen so far in Fellowship. C'mon do we reallythink PJ is going to give us an extended lyrical coda to the whole trilogy where the second string baddy has to be dealt with AFTER mr big has been taken down. Did oddjob get creamed after bond had blown up scaranmanga?

Tanoliel · 02-18-2002, 05:41 PM

I really do hope they do the scouring...and I think they will. PJ is doing a great job staying true to the books considering what happens to so many book-movies...(but don't get me started on the gift scene, that's another story)...although I'm guessing they will have it be very action-y and suspenseful-y, since that's just the way they've been going. And I agree--dear Pip and Merry grow up so much, this really is their turn to show it...(growing in more ways than one, of course....

-tanoliel

02-17-2002, 09:42 PM	#2
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! that is FAVOURITE part of thebooks! i hope so! best news of any sort ive heard since friday ( i was in a bad car accident) thank you for brightening my day! __________________

02-17-2002, 10:21 PM	#3
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	Oh heck, I hope it's true i hopeit'strueihopeit'strue . . . I was really unhappy about the fact that they were supposedly going to cut the Scouring, so this is REALLY great news! __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

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Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	For someone who spent an hour of sleep in the office, that certainly is a rousing story. Hrum Hoom! I feel less Treeish already. HRUUM HOOOOM! 'wonder how they'll finally do away with Curunir/Saruman in the film? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 02-17-2002 at 10:37 PM.

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Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	I am happy now. I am glad that they decided to do that part. It shows the strength of the hobbits. They are weak, comic relief to begin with in the first movie. The Scouring really shows how much the hobbits have been changed by the journey. __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

02-17-2002, 11:27 PM	#6
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	Oh thank goodness. Someone here before the movie said that he was going to be impaled on a spike or something like that...maybe that will still be...but at least the Scouring will be there!YES! __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

02-17-2002, 11:34 PM	#7
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I never really liked the Scouring that much, it's really an anticlimax. But it's better than Saruman dying on a spike! Plus we get to see the Shire again, yay!! __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-17-2002, 11:36 PM	#8
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	happy news to find that the scouring of the shire remains, however it does indeed look dubious whether saruman will be alive to return to the shire as "sharky." i think they'll have him die in TT and the hobbits will return to the shire to mend the damage while saruman remains a shish-kebab that's my theory now anyway...

02-18-2002, 12:06 AM	#9
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	Good. I hope his doesn't get impailed like those pictures show...

02-18-2002, 01:44 AM	#11
Hapira_Brandybuck Enting Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NW IN Posts: 75	there's nothing saying that the wheel thing isn't one of his additions to the Shire.... sure it would look right in the Shire but... isn't that the point of Saruman's takeover? what I'm saying is that it could've been there all along and we just misinterpreted it __________________ -Hapira Brandybuck 'My dear Frodo!' exclaimed Gandalf. 'Hobbits really are amazing creatures, as I have said before. You can learn all that there is to know about their ways in a month, and yet after a hundred years they can still surprise you at a pinch.

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Evenstar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Neverneverland Posts: 215	yippee!!! Thank goody goodness!!! This was a great part of the book!!! __________________ "Frodo, Mr Frodo," he called. "Don't leave me here alone. It's your Sam calling. Don't you go where I can't follow." FRODO LIVES !!!!

02-18-2002, 03:51 AM	#13
coolismo Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: south england Posts: 93	a scan of the article... http://nsyncwebguide.com/legolas/pictures/bravo2.jpg

02-18-2002, 03:53 AM	#14
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	That seems to conflict with the other interview with Ian where he says Christopher is impaled... but that's assuming that both of them were true... I'd really like to see the Scouring of the Shire in the third film, though. I agree with Twilight... it really shows how much those hobbits grew from when they first left their homes (figuratively, of course)... However, I think PJ will do great with it either way. I was surprised at how well the first one came out, aside from the minor changes that may well work for its benefit... (after all, New Line did this as an investment... not for us fans ) __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

02-18-2002, 02:46 PM	#15
Play Girl Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: If I told you I would have to kill you Posts: 159	I am so glad that they have decided to keep the scouring of the shire in the film. It is a great ending, or well almost ending to the book. First time I read it I was like ok the ring is destroyed now end the book already but when I re-read it I understood how it stood for that although the four hobbits had achieve so much all they had really achieved in Hobbiton was keeping it the same and that was what mattered even though no one else really seemed to understand or care that much about what had happened to them. Also a nice tie in to Frodo leaving. Had the same effect on me as the ending of Lord of the Flies. If you haven't read that book yet go and read it now! Rant over Play Girl xxx __________________ "Off the Record On the Q-T And very HUSH HUSH" Frodo lives!

02-18-2002, 03:10 PM	#16
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	This is my own speculation, but it seems clear that Sarumans death in Hobbiton is caused by him falling on the Mill, instead of his violent and more gruesome death by having his throat slashed by Grima. Looking back on that interview though, why did Orlando Bloom even mention the Scouring? It had no relevance to his question.

02-18-2002, 05:01 PM	#17
coolismo Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: south england Posts: 93	why would a mill wheel in hobbiton have a spike though, (I mean what are they grinding there ...the missing entwives?) wouldn't a spike wheel be more in line with orthanc and that gear they have for wrecking the trees?

02-18-2002, 05:09 PM	#18
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Ah the sig has prevailed __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

02-18-2002, 05:27 PM	#19
coolismo Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: south england Posts: 93	The schedule would surely be that the live action for TT has been completed by one filming unit whilst the cgi and effects will lag by a few months. Therefore McKellen is alluding to the live shots he has been involved in with Chris Lee and the effects are being added around now. My bet is that Gandalf and Saruman have some sort of rematch of the bust up at orhanc and Saruman falls from the tower onto a spikey wheel used for rending trees. There are loads of wheels in FOTR. McKellen is alluding to this I think and it would fit with what we've seen so far in Fellowship. C'mon do we reallythink PJ is going to give us an extended lyrical coda to the whole trilogy where the second string baddy has to be dealt with AFTER mr big has been taken down. Did oddjob get creamed after bond had blown up scaranmanga?

02-18-2002, 05:41 PM	#20
Tanoliel Eccentric Chocolate Crow Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Emerald City--Seattle, WA Posts: 1,861	I really do hope they do the scouring...and I think they will. PJ is doing a great job staying true to the books considering what happens to so many book-movies...(but don't get me started on the gift scene, that's another story)...although I'm guessing they will have it be very action-y and suspenseful-y, since that's just the way they've been going. And I agree--dear Pip and Merry grow up so much, this really is their turn to show it...(growing in more ways than one, of course.... -tanoliel __________________ Wisdom for Short Attention Spans...Ozy and Millie. It rocks. Food Of The Gods: 3,7-dihydro-3,7-dimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione Feed Me.... Another Online Dwelling Place... "All right, I confess. It is my intention to comandeer a ship, pick up a crew in Tortuga, to rape, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out." -Captain Jack Sparrow "The trouble with unknown enemies is that they are so difficult to identify." -Amelia Peabody Emerson "Most people obey the orders of someone who is pointing a gun at their head." -A.P. Emerson

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