Scenes that should not be left out of the Two Towers

**Nurvingiel** · 09-20-2002, 04:15 AM

There are some scenes that must be in the Two Towers. I'll kick it off ny talking about my favourite one. After running accross Rohan, Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn come to a ruined Isenguard. At the gates, they meet Merry and Pippin 'standing guard' - smoking good Hobbit weed, eating food, and relaxing. This part should not be left out, because it is really funny.

Your thoughts and other suggestions?

Sween · 09-20-2002, 09:58 AM

the real time storming of isengard by the ents (hey its not in the book but it will be cool to see it)

also i think its very important to the films they include the ent draughs

Ms. Undomial · 09-20-2002, 12:37 PM

I agree with you sween, they cannot leave out the ent draughts. they cannot leave out shelob either. that would be horrific!!!

Artanis · 09-20-2002, 01:10 PM

The Entmoot of course!

I would also like to see the Glittering Caves. I'd like to know how they picture it. From Gimli's description it should be maaagnificent.

Sween · 09-20-2002, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ms. Undomial
I agree with you sween, they cannot leave out the ent draughts. they cannot leave out shelob either. that would be horrific!!!

they are just postponing shelob dont worry my friend we will get to see her sooner or later

cassiopeia · 09-20-2002, 09:23 PM

I agree with what everyone else has said. I also think that Gimli and Legolas counting how many orcs they killed should be in, as should Pippin looking in the Palantir and Sarumans voice affecting those listening (when Gandalf and others are parleying with him at Isengard).

Renille · 09-20-2002, 09:49 PM

If they cut Frodo hanging "blinded" from the cliff or Sam forgetting the rope, I'll be furious.

I don't want them to cut ANY scenes. But that one's my current favorite.

***Rían*** · 09-20-2002, 10:36 PM

Nurvingiel, I love that 'standing guard' part, too! And when the men of Rohan say that they must be old friends, the way that they're insulting each other.

Ñólendil · 09-21-2002, 05:52 AM

I hope that part at the cross-roads, where Frodo sees the flowers hugging the fallen king's head in the dying light and says "Look Sam! The King has got a crown again!" gets in there. It's a beautiful, dramatic moment that will be needed to uplift the spirit abit before it plunges headlong into the demented horror of Imlad Morgul, which I am sure Peter Jackson will take advantage of. It will be most unfortunate if this little, but important scene, does not make the cut.

cassiopeia · 09-21-2002, 11:40 PM

Another funny part is when Sam dunks his head into a bowl of water at the cave with Faramir. I hope they also show the men of Gondor looking west before they eat.

Starr Polish · 09-22-2002, 11:43 AM

I had forgotten about that part after the first time I read the books, and it made me laugh aloud the second part. That'd be a great light hearted moment to put in this otherwise dark movie.

Stupid 90 second rule...

Rána Eressëa · 09-22-2002, 01:43 PM

1.) Legolas & Gimli's contest.

2.) Gollum's screeching, hysterical fit when they put the rope on his ankle.

3.) The faces in the Dead Marshes.

4.) The whole rabbit/coney episode between Sam and Gollum.

I'll probably think of more later.

Rána Eressëa · 09-22-2002, 04:26 PM

Ah, and that scene where after Sam blurt's out "the Enemy's Ring" Faramir asks them what are they going to do when suddenly Frodo sways as he stands and Faramir catches him and puts him into bed. I should like to see that.

Starr Polish · 09-22-2002, 04:59 PM

Yes, yes, the Herbs and Rabbit Stew chapter! Probably my second favorite chapter in the whole trilogy (the first being "The Choices of Master Samwise").

They can't leave the whole 'taters, eh, precious, what's taters'...'Po-ta-toes" exchange out of that scene though.

**Nurvingiel** · 09-24-2002, 05:10 PM

I absolutely love all the scenes everyone's mentioned so far! Now I can understand PJ's dilemma.
I realized there were two things left out of the first movie that are important in the second and third movies. First, lembas. Unless I'm insane (possible) I'm really sure I didn't see a single cake of lembas. Frodo and Sam really depend on it in Mordor. It's all Merry and Pippin have to eat when they first escape from the Orcs. Also, Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn never would have been able to run accross Rohan without it.
Second, the flying mounts of the Nazgul. In the first book, Legolas shot one right before the battle at Amon Hen. (With his brand-new bow from Lorien, also ommitted.) I wonder how he's going to introduce these mounts without confusing everyone? They can't be left out altogether, they're so cool!

I can't wait until December 18th! How many days!?

(Of course, I don't want my mid-terms to come any faster...)

Ms. Undomial · 09-24-2002, 05:19 PM

if you want to know than go to:

http://click.tolkienworld.com/

it tell you how many days, hours, and minutes that are left.

Grey_Wolf · 09-27-2002, 09:36 AM

If you really want to know what PJ has in store for LOTR see my post called "PJ's LOTR story line"

Dunadan · 09-27-2002, 09:30 PM

Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli waiting in the grass for the Rohirrim. They hail them when they are almost past and the riders wheel round to surround them.

Ugluk force-marching the northerners.

Frodo coming face-to-face with the Witch-king in Morgul Vale.

No fears of any of those being chopped, methinks.

How about Gimli squaring up to Eomer over Galadriel? That would pose some continuity issues...

D.

Goldberry1 · 09-28-2002, 02:47 PM

If Legolas and Gimli's contest was left out of The Two Towers i would be really mad!

**Nurvingiel** · 09-30-2002, 03:33 AM

Welcome to the moot Goldberry!

~~~~~

Reply to Dunadan:

I couldn't think why Gimli squaring up to Eomer over Galadrial would pose a continuity issue (because that's exactly what he did in the book) but then I realized that whole bit was left out of the first movie!

They left out how Legolas and Gimli became best friends in Lothlorien. (The Fellowship actually spent about a month there.)

They left out how Gimli requested three strands of Galadrial's hair as his gift.

What they could do to smooth over this error in the Two Towers is to have Gimli have this attitude adjustment as he, Aragorn, and Legolas run accross Rohan. Then when they meet Eomer and company, the altercation would make sense.

It would suck if this aspect of Gimli's character was deleted altogether, because I think it's a really interesting part of him.

So far, in the movie, he seems like a gruff, semi-awkward guy with a weird accent - way different than how I pictured him from the book!

(Of course, the accent makes sense, because as Sam said, "That Dwarf language must be a real jaw cracker!")

09-20-2002, 04:15 AM	#1
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Scenes that should not be left out of the Two Towers There are some scenes that must be in the Two Towers. I'll kick it off ny talking about my favourite one. After running accross Rohan, Legolas, Gimli, and Aragorn come to a ruined Isenguard. At the gates, they meet Merry and Pippin 'standing guard' - smoking good Hobbit weed, eating food, and relaxing. This part should not be left out, because it is really funny. Your thoughts and other suggestions?

09-20-2002, 09:58 AM	#2
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	the real time storming of isengard by the ents (hey its not in the book but it will be cool to see it) also i think its very important to the films they include the ent draughs __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

09-20-2002, 01:10 PM	#4
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	The Entmoot of course! I would also like to see the Glittering Caves. I'd like to know how they picture it. From Gimli's description it should be maaagnificent. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

09-20-2002, 09:23 PM	#6
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I agree with what everyone else has said. I also think that Gimli and Legolas counting how many orcs they killed should be in, as should Pippin looking in the Palantir and Sarumans voice affecting those listening (when Gandalf and others are parleying with him at Isengard). __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

09-20-2002, 09:49 PM	#7
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	If they cut Frodo hanging "blinded" from the cliff or Sam forgetting the rope, I'll be furious. I don't want them to cut ANY scenes. But that one's my current favorite. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

09-20-2002, 12:37 PM	#3
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	I agree with you sween, they cannot leave out the ent draughts. they cannot leave out shelob either. that would be horrific!!!

09-20-2002, 10:36 PM	#8
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Nurvingiel, I love that 'standing guard' part, too! And when the men of Rohan say that they must be old friends, the way that they're insulting each other. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

09-21-2002, 05:52 AM	#9
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I hope that part at the cross-roads, where Frodo sees the flowers hugging the fallen king's head in the dying light and says "Look Sam! The King has got a crown again!" gets in there. It's a beautiful, dramatic moment that will be needed to uplift the spirit abit before it plunges headlong into the demented horror of Imlad Morgul, which I am sure Peter Jackson will take advantage of. It will be most unfortunate if this little, but important scene, does not make the cut. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

09-21-2002, 11:40 PM	#10
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Another funny part is when Sam dunks his head into a bowl of water at the cave with Faramir. I hope they also show the men of Gondor looking west before they eat. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

09-22-2002, 11:43 AM	#11
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	I had forgotten about that part after the first time I read the books, and it made me laugh aloud the second part. That'd be a great light hearted moment to put in this otherwise dark movie. Stupid 90 second rule... __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

09-22-2002, 01:43 PM	#12
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	1.) Legolas & Gimli's contest. 2.) Gollum's screeching, hysterical fit when they put the rope on his ankle. 3.) The faces in the Dead Marshes. 4.) The whole rabbit/coney episode between Sam and Gollum. I'll probably think of more later. Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 09-22-2002 at 01:47 PM.

09-22-2002, 04:26 PM	#13
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Ah, and that scene where after Sam blurt's out "the Enemy's Ring" Faramir asks them what are they going to do when suddenly Frodo sways as he stands and Faramir catches him and puts him into bed. I should like to see that.

09-22-2002, 04:59 PM	#14
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Yes, yes, the Herbs and Rabbit Stew chapter! Probably my second favorite chapter in the whole trilogy (the first being "The Choices of Master Samwise"). They can't leave the whole 'taters, eh, precious, what's taters'...'Po-ta-toes" exchange out of that scene though. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

09-24-2002, 05:10 PM	#15
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	So many wonderful scenes... so little time. I absolutely love all the scenes everyone's mentioned so far! Now I can understand PJ's dilemma. I realized there were two things left out of the first movie that are important in the second and third movies. First, lembas. Unless I'm insane (possible) I'm really sure I didn't see a single cake of lembas. Frodo and Sam really depend on it in Mordor. It's all Merry and Pippin have to eat when they first escape from the Orcs. Also, Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn never would have been able to run accross Rohan without it. Second, the flying mounts of the Nazgul. In the first book, Legolas shot one right before the battle at Amon Hen. (With his brand-new bow from Lorien, also ommitted.) I wonder how he's going to introduce these mounts without confusing everyone? They can't be left out altogether, they're so cool! I can't wait until December 18th! How many days!? (Of course, I don't want my mid-terms to come any faster...)

09-24-2002, 05:19 PM	#16
Ms. Undomial Custous Sanctus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your subconsicious.... Posts: 1,184	if you want to know than go to: http://click.tolkienworld.com/ it tell you how many days, hours, and minutes that are left.

09-27-2002, 09:36 AM	#17
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	If you really want to know what PJ has in store for LOTR see my post called "PJ's LOTR story line"

09-27-2002, 09:30 PM	#18
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Scenes Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli waiting in the grass for the Rohirrim. They hail them when they are almost past and the riders wheel round to surround them. Ugluk force-marching the northerners. Frodo coming face-to-face with the Witch-king in Morgul Vale. No fears of any of those being chopped, methinks. How about Gimli squaring up to Eomer over Galadriel? That would pose some continuity issues... D.

09-28-2002, 02:47 PM	#19
Goldberry1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: DC or Delaware, depending on the time of year Posts: 244	If Legolas and Gimli's contest was left out of The Two Towers i would be really mad!

09-30-2002, 03:33 AM	#20
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Welcome to the moot Goldberry! ~~~~~ Reply to Dunadan: I couldn't think why Gimli squaring up to Eomer over Galadrial would pose a continuity issue (because that's exactly what he did in the book) but then I realized that whole bit was left out of the first movie! They left out how Legolas and Gimli became best friends in Lothlorien. (The Fellowship actually spent about a month there.) They left out how Gimli requested three strands of Galadrial's hair as his gift. What they could do to smooth over this error in the Two Towers is to have Gimli have this attitude adjustment as he, Aragorn, and Legolas run accross Rohan. Then when they meet Eomer and company, the altercation would make sense. It would suck if this aspect of Gimli's character was deleted altogether, because I think it's a really interesting part of him. So far, in the movie, he seems like a gruff, semi-awkward guy with a weird accent - way different than how I pictured him from the book! (Of course, the accent makes sense, because as Sam said, "That Dwarf language must be a real jaw cracker!")

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