Mirkwood and Lothlorien elves

Hapira_Brandybuck · 02-10-2002, 03:31 PM

does anyone think that there would be any kind of.... animosity ofor lack of a better word between the two places? because Lorien's all beautiful and all and Mirkwood's.... not

I think there would be a little but not as bad as between Elves and Dwarves

anyone else?

Starr Polish · 02-10-2002, 03:40 PM

I never felt that way...I never really thought that Mirkwood was 'not beautiful' either, just a little darker than Lothlorien.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-10-2002, 03:48 PM

I don't think so. After all, the majority of the population of both realms were Sindarin.

Ñólendil · 02-10-2002, 05:56 PM

Actually most of them were Nandorin, there was only a very small Grey-elven population. Mirkwood was a terrible place mostly, but the Woodland Realm where the Wood-elves were wasn't all that bad. It was no Lothlórien, but I don't think Thranduil's folk were jealous.

bropous · 02-13-2002, 11:48 AM

Hmmm. I had thought Tharanduil's people were a variety of Umanyar, like the Green-Elves of Ossiriand, or at least one variety of Moriquendi. Am I incorrect in this?

emplynx · 02-13-2002, 07:02 PM

emplynx wishes he know all kinds of cool things about elves.

I need to start studying!

Celebwen · 02-13-2002, 10:42 PM

I don't think so, either. Like someone already said, Mirkwood is a very dark and rather *exasperating* place to be in if you're not familiar with it. But the way Tolkien described Thranduil's halls in The Hobbit, I'd take a guess that it's just as beautiful as Caras Galadhon! Thranduil is no Galadriel and posseses no ring, but the Woodelves seem pretty content with him and their realm.

LONG LIVE HOBBITS IN LEATHER JACKETS!!

Renille · 02-13-2002, 11:03 PM

I do not think the Mirkwood Elves were all that jealous. They must have been pretty content where they were, like Shire-folk, almost. And as already mentioned, Thranduil's court was no slime-hole! I guess it was kinda like little village inhabitants and big-city dwellers in a way...the village likes itself, and most people have no desire to move to the city.

markedel · 02-13-2002, 11:07 PM

Mirkwood isn't inherantly evil, it was actually a pretty place until dol guldur popped up.

I wonder if Mordor was ever pretty.

FrodoFriend · 02-14-2002, 01:22 AM

I like the Mirkwood Elves better than the Lothlorien Elves.

But I doubt there would've been any animosity between them; they're all Elves, after all, and have basically the same enemies. Stuff like that tends to unite people.

Ñólendil · 02-17-2002, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Hmmm. I had thought Tharanduil's people were a variety of Umanyar, like the Green-Elves of Ossiriand, or at least one variety of Moriquendi. Am I incorrect in this?

Well, ... no, not at all. 'Umanyar' was applied to all Elves who never went to Aman. The same goes for 'Moriquendi' until the Noldor returned to Beleriand and dwelt with the Grey-elves, who found the term ('Moriquendi', Dark Elves) offensive. After that the Noldor only used 'Moriquendi' of the Elves who hadn't gone on the Great Journey.

I think maybe you were confused about who the Nandor are. I said the Wood-elves were mostly Nandorin. The Green-elves who you mentioned were Nandor. The Nandor were the Elves of Olwe's Host who refused to pass the terrifying Misty Mountains and dwelt age-long in the Vales of Anduin. Some of these, led by Lenwe, passed down Anduin and after a while some of these entered Eriador, and it was from these people that the Green-elves of Ossiriand came. Most of the Wood-elves were descended from those Elves that remained in the Vales of Anduin. Sindar came among them after the Sack of Doriath and during the Second Age (I think that's when it was) some Avari akin to them came along and mingled as well. In the Third Age Noldor went to Laurelindórinand and merged with the Galathrim. So on the whole the Wood-elves were Nandorin/Avarin/Sindarin/Noldorin.

The Nandorin and Avarin blood was the most common, in my opinion.

markedel · 02-17-2002, 07:41 PM

Mordor probably was never pretty-the volacno and such. Nurn might have been pleasent once.

And Khand might be a cool place just cause Khand is such cool name

Eruviel Greenleaf · 02-22-2002, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emplynx
emplynx wishes he know all kinds of cool things about elves.

I need to start studying!

So do I!!!!!

Haven't read the Hobbit, so I'm not sure what Mirkwood looks like yet. (Funny, since I live there...) I'll get to it after rereading LotR (2nd time) and reading The Silmarillion. I need more free time...wait, I shouldn't complain, I'm hanging out here....

Evenstar · 02-22-2002, 11:53 PM

I never thought of that!!! I wouldn't think that there would be any dislikes between the Mirkwood and Lothlorien elves!!! I don't really have any reasons to support that sorrry!!

02-10-2002, 03:31 PM	#1
Hapira_Brandybuck Enting Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NW IN Posts: 75	Mirkwood and Lothlorien elves does anyone think that there would be any kind of.... animosity ofor lack of a better word between the two places? because Lorien's all beautiful and all and Mirkwood's.... not I think there would be a little but not as bad as between Elves and Dwarves anyone else? __________________ -Hapira Brandybuck 'My dear Frodo!' exclaimed Gandalf. 'Hobbits really are amazing creatures, as I have said before. You can learn all that there is to know about their ways in a month, and yet after a hundred years they can still surprise you at a pinch.

02-10-2002, 03:40 PM	#2
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	I never felt that way...I never really thought that Mirkwood was 'not beautiful' either, just a little darker than Lothlorien. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

02-10-2002, 05:56 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Actually most of them were Nandorin, there was only a very small Grey-elven population. Mirkwood was a terrible place mostly, but the Woodland Realm where the Wood-elves were wasn't all that bad. It was no Lothlórien, but I don't think Thranduil's folk were jealous. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

02-13-2002, 11:48 AM	#5
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Hmmm. I had thought Tharanduil's people were a variety of Umanyar, like the Green-Elves of Ossiriand, or at least one variety of Moriquendi. Am I incorrect in this? __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

02-13-2002, 10:42 PM	#7
Celebwen Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: somewhere, over the rainbow, preferribly in Middle-Earth...... Posts: 19	Mirkwood... I don't think so, either. Like someone already said, Mirkwood is a very dark and rather exasperating place to be in if you're not familiar with it. But the way Tolkien described Thranduil's halls in The Hobbit, I'd take a guess that it's just as beautiful as Caras Galadhon! Thranduil is no Galadriel and posseses no ring, but the Woodelves seem pretty content with him and their realm. LONG LIVE HOBBITS IN LEATHER JACKETS!! __________________ ~Celebwen~ ...'I chose thumbs because they are very important. If I hadn't my thumbs I don't suppose I could ride my horse or write letters or pinch my litttle brothers, so I thought perhaps I should make a list of everything I couldn't do without my thumbs, for if a heathen came across the sea threatening to cut off my thumbs I might read my list and maybe he would change his mind. Then again, the likelyness of my being threatened by a heathen and whether a list would change his mind is very slim, so I'll save myself some time and not write a list!'

02-10-2002, 03:48 PM	#3
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	I don't think so. After all, the majority of the population of both realms were Sindarin.

02-13-2002, 07:02 PM	#6
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	emplynx wishes he know all kinds of cool things about elves. I need to start studying!

02-13-2002, 11:03 PM	#8
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	I do not think the Mirkwood Elves were all that jealous. They must have been pretty content where they were, like Shire-folk, almost. And as already mentioned, Thranduil's court was no slime-hole! I guess it was kinda like little village inhabitants and big-city dwellers in a way...the village likes itself, and most people have no desire to move to the city. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

02-13-2002, 11:07 PM	#9
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Mirkwood isn't inherantly evil, it was actually a pretty place until dol guldur popped up. I wonder if Mordor was ever pretty. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

02-14-2002, 01:22 AM	#10
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I like the Mirkwood Elves better than the Lothlorien Elves. But I doubt there would've been any animosity between them; they're all Elves, after all, and have basically the same enemies. Stuff like that tends to unite people. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-17-2002, 07:41 PM	#12
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Mordor probably was never pretty-the volacno and such. Nurn might have been pleasent once. And Khand might be a cool place just cause Khand is such cool name __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

02-22-2002, 11:53 PM	#14
Evenstar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Neverneverland Posts: 215	I never thought of that!!! I wouldn't think that there would be any dislikes between the Mirkwood and Lothlorien elves!!! I don't really have any reasons to support that sorrry!! __________________ "Frodo, Mr Frodo," he called. "Don't leave me here alone. It's your Sam calling. Don't you go where I can't follow." FRODO LIVES !!!!

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