Interesting Map

Twista · 03-23-2005, 01:29 PM

Little thing I've found.

I've never seen the whole of Arda illustrated like this.. thought you might like to see!

Interesting Map

Elemmírë · 03-23-2005, 05:22 PM

I've seen that in the Shaping of Middle-eath, HoME 4.

Though... haven't quite managed to read the book yet...

me9996 · 03-26-2005, 03:19 PM

Wow, strange map...

**Nurvingiel** · 03-26-2005, 06:11 PM

It is pretty cool. I think we're supposed to go "hey, it's Earth!" when looking at it, and I definitely did. But I have one problem with it. What exactly is the Encircling Sea in this map? The map implies Arda is a sphere, and the Encircling Sea is... the atmosphere?

Radagast The Brown · 03-26-2005, 06:23 PM

It's a 'regular' sea, I think.. it's mentioned in the Silmarillion. Apparently, only the Valar know its length, and it's the place where Ulmo 'lives'.
It seems like the sun and moon passes in it..? I'm not sure, I only noticed it now.

I've never put attention to the Encircling Sea.

Olmer · 03-26-2005, 06:28 PM

This is from the late Karen Wynn Fonstad's book "The Atlas of Middle -Earth".
She did an amazing work, making detailed maps not only to every tiny corner of Middle-earth, but to absolutely all events which happened on Arda since the dawn of its existance.
I'm highly recommending to get this book.

me9996 · 03-26-2005, 09:34 PM

Can't we just argee it's an interesting map?

Twista · 03-27-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by me9996

Can't we just argee it's an interesting map?

No, I change my mind. I dont think its interesting any more... so we can keep discussing.

Haradrim · 03-28-2005, 11:47 PM

Wait doesnt that map show a connection between ME and Valinor. I could be wron gbut I didnt think such a thing existed. IF so those elves were pretty foolish...

Twista · 03-29-2005, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haradrim

Wait doesnt that map show a connection between ME and Valinor. I could be wron gbut I didnt think such a thing existed. IF so those elves were pretty foolish...

Yes... it was a big plateau of ice. It broke up sometime during the 2nd age... probably at the destruction of Beleriand I assume... I cant acually remember. Can someone fill in the gaps?

Haradrim · 03-29-2005, 04:03 PM

Huh. SO then why didnt the elves go back and forth. Also if isildurs peeps wanted to go there so abd why didnt they cross over. It just seems a little odd to me that they would ignore that route.

Twista · 03-29-2005, 04:35 PM

Fingolfin and his people made their way into Middle-earth across the ice of the Helcaraxe at the beginning of the First Age.

Thats the only crossing I know of.

Haradrim · 03-29-2005, 04:45 PM

okay but why werent their more. It coulda been a big tourist attraction. Like come on come all look upon the plains of Valinor.

Twista · 03-29-2005, 04:49 PM

The Ice was very treacherous and near impossible to cross. I think thats the reason anyway...

Haradrim · 03-29-2005, 04:52 PM

yeah I guess that makes sense. But I dont know I mean Valinor was a cool place. Some people would have tried. Still I guess what you are saying makes sense.

Findegil · 03-29-2005, 06:27 PM

The "ice-bridge" was broken by the Valar during the Hidding of Valinor to prevent any movement from Middle-Earth to Valinor. The map shows the state at the beginning of First Age.

Respectfully
Findegil

Haradrim · 03-30-2005, 12:15 AM

Thanks for clearing thta up. I was a tad confused. Cuz peopel obviously would have gone had it been there. SO thanks for clearing that up,

Pytt · 03-30-2005, 08:54 AM

Nice map. I remember I looked at it some time ago. After you posted this link.

But I forgot about it...

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-30-2005, 09:24 AM

yes, it is an interesting map

***Earniel*** · 03-30-2005, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haradrim

Thanks for clearing thta up. I was a tad confused. Cuz peopel obviously would have gone had it been there. SO thanks for clearing that up,

Even if the Ice Bridge wasn't destroyed during the Hiding of Valinor, it would have been destroyed nevertheless in the destruction of Beleriand where it lay, long before Isildur's time. (Read the Silmarillion if you want to know more about the crossing of the Grinding Ice.

)

03-23-2005, 01:29 PM	#1
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Interesting Map Little thing I've found. I've never seen the whole of Arda illustrated like this.. thought you might like to see! Interesting Map __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

03-23-2005, 05:22 PM	#2
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	I've seen that in the Shaping of Middle-eath, HoME 4. Though... haven't quite managed to read the book yet... __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

03-26-2005, 06:23 PM	#5
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	It's a 'regular' sea, I think.. it's mentioned in the Silmarillion. Apparently, only the Valar know its length, and it's the place where Ulmo 'lives'. It seems like the sun and moon passes in it..? I'm not sure, I only noticed it now. I've never put attention to the Encircling Sea. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-28-2005, 11:47 PM	#9
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	Wait doesnt that map show a connection between ME and Valinor. I could be wron gbut I didnt think such a thing existed. IF so those elves were pretty foolish... __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

03-29-2005, 04:03 PM	#11
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	Huh. SO then why didnt the elves go back and forth. Also if isildurs peeps wanted to go there so abd why didnt they cross over. It just seems a little odd to me that they would ignore that route. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

03-26-2005, 06:28 PM	#6
Olmer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LI-woods, NY Posts: 653	This is from the late Karen Wynn Fonstad's book "The Atlas of Middle -Earth". She did an amazing work, making detailed maps not only to every tiny corner of Middle-earth, but to absolutely all events which happened on Arda since the dawn of its existance. I'm highly recommending to get this book.

03-29-2005, 04:35 PM	#12
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Fingolfin and his people made their way into Middle-earth across the ice of the Helcaraxe at the beginning of the First Age. Thats the only crossing I know of. __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

03-29-2005, 04:45 PM	#13
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	okay but why werent their more. It coulda been a big tourist attraction. Like come on come all look upon the plains of Valinor. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

03-29-2005, 04:49 PM	#14
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	The Ice was very treacherous and near impossible to cross. I think thats the reason anyway... __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

03-29-2005, 04:52 PM	#15
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	yeah I guess that makes sense. But I dont know I mean Valinor was a cool place. Some people would have tried. Still I guess what you are saying makes sense. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

03-29-2005, 06:27 PM	#16
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	The "ice-bridge" was broken by the Valar during the Hidding of Valinor to prevent any movement from Middle-Earth to Valinor. The map shows the state at the beginning of First Age. Respectfully Findegil

03-30-2005, 12:15 AM	#17
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	Thanks for clearing thta up. I was a tad confused. Cuz peopel obviously would have gone had it been there. SO thanks for clearing that up, __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

03-30-2005, 08:54 AM	#18
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	Nice map. I remember I looked at it some time ago. After you posted this link. But I forgot about it... __________________ Don't Panic!

03-30-2005, 09:24 AM	#19
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	yes, it is an interesting map

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