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Arathorn · 03-09-2002, 11:31 PM

Yes, laws are there to make sure rights are protected but they aren't always perfect (all parties are happy) and not always implementable.
Downloading stuff is morally wrong only if you don't have permission of the party you downoad it from. If they post it without New Line's permission, they're the guys with the problem. Illegal, probably. It depends on which country you get them from. Laws will have to adapt with the technology too. That's why they came up with region-locking on DVDs but it was poorly designed and, in fact, doomed to fail earlier than intended.

Also, intellecutal property laws are not implementable in many southeast asian countries. DVD's and cd's with mp3 files are all over the place in shopping malls in Hong Kong and Manila. The cops are in it too. Illegal, yes, implementable, no.

But no one should worry about me making New Line lose money. I already watched FOTR 8 times on the big screen and will buy the originals when they come out.

Starr Polish · 03-09-2002, 11:35 PM

There is a difference from downloading a movie from the internet and taping it from the TV/Cable/Satellite. Most internet movie downloading is done before a movie is available on TV, thus it is pirated. The music I download isn't pirated, but if I were to download FOTR, it would be.

FrodoFriend · 03-09-2002, 11:35 PM

CBG and Nolendil ~

I have never copied or downloaded any music or media from the Internet or other sources. I have never been engaged in any illegal activities of any sort. As I said before, I was not serious; it was just idle talk. I'm sorry if that upsets you so much.

CBG, you completely misinterpreted nearly everything I said in that post in which you quoted me 4 times. I didn't think it was fair that you disapproved of me burning the DVD when everyone else was talking about downloading copies and you said nothing about that.

I didn't flame anyone. Sorry if I was not clear in some things I said.

Now leave me alone.

Starr Polish · 03-09-2002, 11:41 PM

FF, I wasn't implying that you were flaming or anything, this thread just looks like it's headed that way.

::internet hug::

FrodoFriend · 03-09-2002, 11:56 PM

What? Oh, sorry, Starr, I wasn't referring to you. Nolendil said I was flaming a mod or something, and I really wasn't meaning to. That's all I meant.

Ñólendil · 03-10-2002, 12:01 PM

Quote:

I didn't flame anyone. Sorry if I was not clear in some things I said.

Good then, there's no problem. I will, as you requested, leave you alone.

LuthienTinuviel · 03-11-2002, 08:22 PM

well, what do you all suppose i do? delete my copy?

wait better idea.
10 minutes later
i just got done with the alterations on my movie files. n oone can download them from me any longer.
that is one less scource they have.
it's all i can do, what did you expect?
tell me and i'll se if it's worth it
i promise i will really think

Gorhiriel · 03-11-2002, 11:29 PM

15!!!! 15!!! And that, my friends, is nowhere near enough!!

Gerbil · 03-12-2002, 01:46 AM

8 times.
8th today.
Was the worst time ever.

You ever get in one of those moods where once one thing annoys you - EVERYTHING ANNOYS YOU? Grrrrrrrr had one of them.

I mean, at 11.15 am on Monday morning about 3 months after the film first came out you'd think I'd have th escreen to myself.
Not so.

This time some old git kept talking - I tihnk it was one of those 'who's he?', 'what happened?' etc. type people. ROAR!

Then a mobile phone went off TWICE during Gandalf's dyingy bit.

The CAR annoyed me in the Shire - Pippin's JOKES annoyed me - once I'd started I just couldn't relax. Grrrrr.

No more times for me. Apart from twice when the TT trailer is added

Brimvalir · 03-25-2002, 05:39 PM

Make that 4 times

and I say it should have beat out A Beautiful Mind for Best Picture (which I sa only once)

bropous · 03-28-2002, 12:09 PM

I've seen it nine times, and probably will see it three more times with the new TT trailer.

bropous · 03-28-2002, 12:25 PM

Actually I think it's pretty rotten to download pirated copies of LotR from the Net. Someone is stabbing New Line and every investor involved in the back and stealing directly from someone else's pocket.

The film IS the property of New Line Cinema, and downloading the pirated version (or buys a pirated DVD, for that matter) is tantamount to walking onto their property and stealing your favorite items from wardrobe. Just because it's easy to do or because everyone else is doing it doesn't matter a fig: Theft is theft.

As for the comment that those using VCRs to record material or burning CDs of music they paid for is the same thing, no it is not. this was cleared up in entertainment law in the US probably before some of you folks were born. Cassette tape recorders were the first hurdle, VCRs the next, and it was hammered out between the recording/entertainment industry and the recorder producers that making recordings for your own personal use was a permissable use of the technology. Same for CDs and DVDs.

The problem is when someone profits off those recordings and they did not produce them originally. I understand some people are real comfortable with ripping off corporations who employ other people. To me all one does is cut another person's throat.

I would think that EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO's would have better ethics than that.

TomFoolOfATook · 04-17-2002, 12:38 PM

I havnt seen the movie yet - fear that it would be such a big letdown compared to the books

BeardofPants · 04-17-2002, 09:28 PM

I have seen it twice. First time I didn't like it. Second time I saw it to see if I was justified. I was.

Jadera · 04-17-2002, 11:36 PM

*looks around carefully*

Shhh...I saw it twice on a downloaded copy too....
One of my dad's employee's had it and let us borrow it. At first it wouldn't play, and my mom told us it was God judging us for watching an illegal copy. I said, "So why can't he judge us after we watch it?!"

We got it working though.

But I can officially say that I have paid twice to see it in theatres too, (BoP knows

) and I would pay again. Gladly. Even though I make ten dollars a week.

cassiopeia · 04-19-2002, 06:45 AM

I seen it twice at the movies and twice by umm, other means which have already been discussed here. It was OK for me the first time, but now I love it.
To Tom: I can't believe you havn't seen it, its not as good as the books but an excellent adaptation. You shouldn't be dissapointed.

Ërendil · 04-19-2002, 04:53 PM

at the cinema i have seen it 7 times, once with the TT trailer. I am going again tomorrow. Sadly the cinemas are slowly reducing the viewings. I must at least make it up to 9 because then i will have covered the "nine rings for the mortal men"
I have seen it at the cinema more times than anyother person in my school apart from Varda Oloiessio (sp? i can never remeber the second part to her name) who has seen it 7 times withj me. She is also coming tomorrow.

Ërendil · 04-20-2002, 03:48 PM

I have now seen LOTR 8 times i went today with my friend (Varda Oloiessio).

Elf Girl · 04-21-2002, 04:38 PM

I have now seen it twice and am campaigning to go for a third (and probably last

) time. I'm not thirteen, so I have to campaign to get my mom to take me every time.

TomFoolOfATook · 04-22-2002, 02:21 PM

8 times - wow that must be the moot record Erendil

03-09-2002, 11:31 PM	#41
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Yes, laws are there to make sure rights are protected but they aren't always perfect (all parties are happy) and not always implementable. Downloading stuff is morally wrong only if you don't have permission of the party you downoad it from. If they post it without New Line's permission, they're the guys with the problem. Illegal, probably. It depends on which country you get them from. Laws will have to adapt with the technology too. That's why they came up with region-locking on DVDs but it was poorly designed and, in fact, doomed to fail earlier than intended. Also, intellecutal property laws are not implementable in many southeast asian countries. DVD's and cd's with mp3 files are all over the place in shopping malls in Hong Kong and Manila. The cops are in it too. Illegal, yes, implementable, no. But no one should worry about me making New Line lose money. I already watched FOTR 8 times on the big screen and will buy the originals when they come out. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 03-10-2002 at 04:25 PM.

03-09-2002, 11:35 PM	#42
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	There is a difference from downloading a movie from the internet and taping it from the TV/Cable/Satellite. Most internet movie downloading is done before a movie is available on TV, thus it is pirated. The music I download isn't pirated, but if I were to download FOTR, it would be. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

03-09-2002, 11:35 PM	#43
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	CBG and Nolendil ~ I have never copied or downloaded any music or media from the Internet or other sources. I have never been engaged in any illegal activities of any sort. As I said before, I was not serious; it was just idle talk. I'm sorry if that upsets you so much. CBG, you completely misinterpreted nearly everything I said in that post in which you quoted me 4 times. I didn't think it was fair that you disapproved of me burning the DVD when everyone else was talking about downloading copies and you said nothing about that. I didn't flame anyone. Sorry if I was not clear in some things I said. Now leave me alone. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

03-09-2002, 11:41 PM	#44
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	FF, I wasn't implying that you were flaming or anything, this thread just looks like it's headed that way. ::internet hug:: __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

03-09-2002, 11:56 PM	#45
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	What? Oh, sorry, Starr, I wasn't referring to you. Nolendil said I was flaming a mod or something, and I really wasn't meaning to. That's all I meant. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

03-11-2002, 08:22 PM	#47
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	well, what do you all suppose i do? delete my copy? wait better idea. 10 minutes later i just got done with the alterations on my movie files. n oone can download them from me any longer. that is one less scource they have. it's all i can do, what did you expect? tell me and i'll se if it's worth it i promise i will really think __________________

03-11-2002, 11:29 PM	#48
Gorhiriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 112	HAH! 15!!!! 15!!! And that, my friends, is nowhere near enough!! __________________ Do not mess with me, or I will call my dragons and Destroy You All!!! BOROMIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "And anon shall I Sail into the West: with the setting sun I shall remove my light from this world..."

03-12-2002, 01:46 AM	#49
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	8 times. 8th today. Was the worst time ever. You ever get in one of those moods where once one thing annoys you - EVERYTHING ANNOYS YOU? Grrrrrrrr had one of them. I mean, at 11.15 am on Monday morning about 3 months after the film first came out you'd think I'd have th escreen to myself. Not so. This time some old git kept talking - I tihnk it was one of those 'who's he?', 'what happened?' etc. type people. ROAR! Then a mobile phone went off TWICE during Gandalf's dyingy bit. The CAR annoyed me in the Shire - Pippin's JOKES annoyed me - once I'd started I just couldn't relax. Grrrrr. No more times for me. Apart from twice when the TT trailer is added __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

03-25-2002, 05:39 PM	#50
Brimvalir Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 103	Make it 4 times Make that 4 times and I say it should have beat out A Beautiful Mind for Best Picture (which I sa only once) __________________ Swords are of no more use here ... All that is gold does not glitter nor are all those who wander lost......

03-28-2002, 12:09 PM	#51
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I've seen it nine times, and probably will see it three more times with the new TT trailer. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

03-28-2002, 12:25 PM	#52
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Actually I think it's pretty rotten to download pirated copies of LotR from the Net. Someone is stabbing New Line and every investor involved in the back and stealing directly from someone else's pocket. The film IS the property of New Line Cinema, and downloading the pirated version (or buys a pirated DVD, for that matter) is tantamount to walking onto their property and stealing your favorite items from wardrobe. Just because it's easy to do or because everyone else is doing it doesn't matter a fig: Theft is theft. As for the comment that those using VCRs to record material or burning CDs of music they paid for is the same thing, no it is not. this was cleared up in entertainment law in the US probably before some of you folks were born. Cassette tape recorders were the first hurdle, VCRs the next, and it was hammered out between the recording/entertainment industry and the recorder producers that making recordings for your own personal use was a permissable use of the technology. Same for CDs and DVDs. The problem is when someone profits off those recordings and they did not produce them originally. I understand some people are real comfortable with ripping off corporations who employ other people. To me all one does is cut another person's throat. I would think that EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO's would have better ethics than that. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

04-17-2002, 12:38 PM	#53
TomFoolOfATook Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dale Posts: 49	Have not seen it I havnt seen the movie yet - fear that it would be such a big letdown compared to the books __________________ Pieces of Eight the search for the money tree go cash your freedoms in for gold Pieces of Eight Treasure filled with emphtiness dont let it turn your heart to stone

04-17-2002, 09:28 PM	#54
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I have seen it twice. First time I didn't like it. Second time I saw it to see if I was justified. I was. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-17-2002, 11:36 PM	#55
Jadera Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 205	looks around carefully Shhh...I saw it twice on a downloaded copy too.... One of my dad's employee's had it and let us borrow it. At first it wouldn't play, and my mom told us it was God judging us for watching an illegal copy. I said, "So why can't he judge us after we watch it?!" We got it working though. But I can officially say that I have paid twice to see it in theatres too, (BoP knows ) and I would pay again. Gladly. Even though I make ten dollars a week. __________________ Whaaaaaaaaaat?? ~Chivalry isn't dead, it just transferred to women~

04-19-2002, 06:45 AM	#56
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I seen it twice at the movies and twice by umm, other means which have already been discussed here. It was OK for me the first time, but now I love it. To Tom: I can't believe you havn't seen it, its not as good as the books but an excellent adaptation. You shouldn't be dissapointed. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

04-19-2002, 04:53 PM	#57
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	at the cinema i have seen it 7 times, once with the TT trailer. I am going again tomorrow. Sadly the cinemas are slowly reducing the viewings. I must at least make it up to 9 because then i will have covered the "nine rings for the mortal men" I have seen it at the cinema more times than anyother person in my school apart from Varda Oloiessio (sp? i can never remeber the second part to her name) who has seen it 7 times withj me. She is also coming tomorrow. __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

04-20-2002, 03:48 PM	#58
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I have now seen LOTR 8 times i went today with my friend (Varda Oloiessio). __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

04-21-2002, 04:38 PM	#59
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I have now seen it twice and am campaigning to go for a third (and probably last ) time. I'm not thirteen, so I have to campaign to get my mom to take me every time. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-22-2002, 02:21 PM	#60
TomFoolOfATook Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dale Posts: 49	Wow 8 times - wow that must be the moot record Erendil __________________ Pieces of Eight the search for the money tree go cash your freedoms in for gold Pieces of Eight Treasure filled with emphtiness dont let it turn your heart to stone

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