worst qoutes in lotr

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Chrys is a better nickname. BTW, you can edit posts by clicking the bottom right button in the post.

All the worst lines are associated with either fabricated plot devices (ie. Theoden's "possession") or completely made up scripts (ie. many of Elrond and Arwen's ridiculous lines).

Chrys isn't a nickname, it is my name!!
& thnx for tip on editing!!

[Gerbil]

I never thought that Theoden was under a spell of Grima's.
He was simply 'old', and like Denethor, succumbing to the pressures of his time. Combined with Grima poisoning him (to enhance his dotage) and always whispering in his ear about his fears, he basically 'controlled' Theoden.
I don't believe there was actual 'magic' involved.

[Ascal Elessar]

"Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!"

That line has always made me cringe. Would an orc even know what a menu is?

[Nurvingiel]

Originally posted by Last Child of Ungoliant
Chrys isn't a nickname, it is my name!!

Whoops! Well it's a nice name.


I always imagined that though Theoden was getting older, he was still quite fit, a good warrior, and a strong leader. Like everyone he had weaknesses, and Grima would capitalize on them cleverly. He was also in a good position to do so since he was intelligent and trusted by Theoden (since he had always given good advice).
Each time Theoden, after a hard day's riding for example, said "I'm tired" or "My knee is sore" or whatever, Grima would respectfully tell him that he should rest, with the subtle undertone of saying he's too old for such activities. Theoden would come to believe this over time, and through inactivity, actually become out of shape for fighting.
When Gandalf got rid of Grima and gave him his sword, he realized that Saruman was a traitor, and that his people were in danger. He resolved, that even if he was too weak and would die in battle, that he would gain safety, and if possible, victory, for his people. This determination gave him the drive to fight again, and in doing so, he found out that he wasn't too old after all.

[azalea]

Yes, I think it's one example of Tolkien's brilliance -- in writing that subplot, he was showing the reader the "power" of words, which of course Tolkien believed in greatly. I believe that Grima's words weren't "magic," but having been under the tutelage of Saruman, whose voice does hold "magical" powers, he would certainly have learned some technique. Add to that a man's own complaisance when faced with difficult decisions, his need to be comforted and told he's doing the right thing when he wishes to avoid conflict (and by allowing this, feeling justified in his choices), and you have a character who, though "good," is helping the side of evil by hiding his head in the sand, or rather, allowing it to be hidden.
It is only through the intervention of Gandalf, again, through his power with words, NOT "magic," that Theoden's heart is kindled, enflaming his spirit to battle the enemy. Interesting, isn't it, that Gandalf's gift is to light a flame in the heart, causing one to care so deeply about something that you are driven to fight or act in what way you can to help the cause, whereas Saruman's gift with words is the opposite, lulling people, calming them. We desire calm, we don't like conflict, but it is only through conflict that evil may be overcome. Tolkien made it backwards from how we might think, instead of the "good" one calming hearts, it is the one on the side of evil. Fascinating.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Gerbil
I never thought that Theoden was under a spell of Grima's.
He was simply 'old', and like Denethor, succumbing to the pressures of his time. Combined with Grima poisoning him (to enhance his dotage) and always whispering in his ear about his fears, he basically 'controlled' Theoden.
I don't believe there was actual 'magic' involved.

I was not suggesting that there was any majic, i merely chose the term 'spell' to represent any ill spoken words of Grima, whilst working for the good of Saruman, this is where tolkien truly shows his mastery as a scholar of the english language!

[Mango]

How bout not one single line, but a whole concept? Arwen dying? Her life suddenly and mysteriously connected to the fate of the ring? Even though she'd never had any contact with it? Blue washed close ups of her prone on some low laying couch surrounded by dead leaves?

Perhaps there was a part of the book I'm simply forgetting. Perhaps there is a perfectly legitimate reason for every one to stand around and look constipated while Liv tosses and turns and moans and sighs.

Perhaps. But if there was, PJ did not do a good job of making it clear as to why. I spent the rest of the movie thinking: "What? What? What the flying...? Meh? Neh?"

That is, of course, until Merry began to sing. That scene was brilliant. *Froth*

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Mango
How bout not one single line, but a whole concept? Arwen dying? Her life suddenly and mysteriously connected to the fate of the ring? Even though she'd never had any contact with it? Blue washed close ups of her prone on some low laying couch surrounded by dead leaves?

Perhaps there was a part of the book I'm simply forgetting. Perhaps there is a perfectly legitimate reason for every one to stand around and look constipated while Liv tosses and turns and moans and sighs.

Perhaps. But if there was, PJ did not do a good job of making it clear as to why. I spent the rest of the movie thinking: "What? What? What the flying...? Meh? Neh?"

That is, of course, until Merry began to sing. That scene was brilliant. *Froth*

it was not arwen dying,
but losing her immortality (The grace of the Valar)
It was in the books
this happens to elves that betroth themselves to a mortal
ex.: Luthien Tinuviel

[azalea]

After seeing it again the other day, I really think it is more than that. Elrond seems to be clearly saying that Sauron's fate is directly linked TO Arwen, and that unless he is destroyed, she personally will die, not just a general statement about "like all mortals." I listened carefully, but I can't remember exactly what he said. However, it is my interpretation that they made it a direct link.

[Aragorn_iz_cool]

They remain young looking until they die, and they certaintly don't start dying the second they lose their immortality.

[Mango]

He (Elrond) said, and I quoteth:

"Arwen's fate is now tied to the ring."

Or something close to, and I took it to mean that if the ring was not destoyed then she would die. PJ did make it clear that she was becoming mortal for love of Aragon. However. That one line bugs me.

[Katie of the Golden Wood]

Okay, not dialogue, but...

The part in Pelannor Fields when the Orc leader (Gothmog?) is telilng everyone to hold their ground when rocks are being fired from Minas Tirith. One comes at him, he steps out of the way at the last minutes and spits on it. Then the beast firing the catapult nearby gives him this bizarre, confused look. I hate that scene.

Katie

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Katie of the Golden Wood
Okay, not dialogue, but...

The part in Pelannor Fields when the Orc leader (Gothmog?) is telilng everyone to hold their ground when rocks are being fired from Minas Tirith. One comes at him, he steps out of the way at the last minutes and spits on it. Then the beast firing the catapult nearby gives him this bizarre, confused look. I hate that scene.

Katie

I thought that was brilliant, had me roaring with laughter

[Katie of the Golden Wood]

Don't know why I didn't like it...it just seemed like it should be a serious moment. Oh well.

Katie

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally posted by Katie of the Golden Wood
Don't know why I didn't like it...it just seemed like it should be a serious moment. Oh well.

Katie

sorry, i think a bit of 'comic relief' is good
it also shows how complacent the orcs were that they were going to win, even after the fall of their captain (the witch king)

[hectorberlioz]

Originally posted by Katie of the Golden Wood
Don't know why I didn't like it...it just seemed like it should be a serious moment. Oh well.

Katie

dont worry, I hated that scene too.

[Katie of the Golden Wood]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
dont worry, I hated that scene too.

Haha, I was worried it was just me.

Katie

[durin's bane]

I hated it, too.

I think all of that worst lines came from Legolas. I think it's the way he says them. To me, Orlando Bloom doesn't make Legolas have a very Elvish voice. He makes it go all deep, so everything he says sounds stupid. Especially when Aragorn and all them were talking in Denthor's chamber about charging the Black Gate, and when Aragorn finishes speaking Legolas lifts up his head, widens his eyes, and says, "A diversion." Brilliant.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

yes, makes legolas sound like a stupid git, whereas elves are supposed to have a musical voice

[b.banner]

aragorn:yuo bow to know one that line is really cheesy.