Comic Relief

samwiselvr2008 · 03-02-2003, 01:51 PM

So, in The Fellowship of the Ring, Merry and Pippon took over the "need" for comic relief. In The Two Towers, we saw that Gimli took over Merry and Pippons job, so I'm thinking that PJ wont be using any of them agian for CR. So, my question is, who will do it this time? Think about it, who else COULD do it, I didn't like Merry and Pippon and Gimli doing it, but just think about the other caricters doing it in ROTK:
Legolas: he can't do it, he's an elf!
Gandalf: He's Gandalf, what can I say? Gandalf is to strong, series, and everything else
Aragorn: He's about to become king, how could they posably do it to him?
Samwise: His part in this movie is to important to be messed with, this is Sam's big moment, Sam's turn to be faithfull, they can't do that to Sammy!
Frodo: Frodo is basically out of it, the ring is taking over his mind, and after Shelobs lier, he is totally dependant on Sam, just about
Gollum: he is a very important charicter, and I think that he is to important for them to mess up his charicter.
Shelob: Very important, but small part, and she has to be terrible the whole time, and heynis (can't spell, so I'll change that to plane old evil) to do comic relief
Other Chariters, soldiers, Arwen ect.: parts arn't big anouph, and even if they were, they arn't the type, there to bussy fighting and all of that type of stuff!

Celebriel · 03-02-2003, 03:42 PM

PJ might have inserted little jokes to ease the strain of watching the huge war that is about to happen. In FOTR and TTT, some characters seemed to be funnier than the rest, but each had their own laughs. Maybe the comedy will be little quips here and there.

By the by, I hate how PJ portrayed Gimli as half-witted comic relief. I know he is not at fault, audiences need to be entertained. But still, the dwarves didn't send Gimli to fumble around. Grrr.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-02-2003, 03:44 PM

He is at blame. Audiences aren't a bunch of drivelling idiots. They can have other entertainment than cheap pokes at Dwarves, or idiotic Hobbits.

Fimbrethil · 03-02-2003, 05:03 PM

I totally agree. But you gotta admit they were funny i.e. "The closer we are to danger the farther we from harm." Although when I went to see TTT it was like no one had a sense of homor(sp?) it was dead quiet the whole time (with the exception of the movie).

Celebriel · 03-02-2003, 05:07 PM

You two are lucky that you have such mature fellow movie-goers.

I saw LOTR last night and the place was half-full of people who did not care about the movie. An adolescent couple was even making out a few rows in front. I wished I had some popcorn to toss at them while they were re-enacting the love scenes of Arwen and Aragorn.

durin's bane · 03-02-2003, 07:19 PM

I don't think there will be any comic relief in the next movie. In my opinion, it's the most serious out of all three, with the war and Cirith Ungol and the crowning of Aragorn and all. There may be a few funny comments here and there, but nothing major like the mockery of Gimli (they shouldn't have made him seem like an idiot! He's the best Dwarf and he's got those cool axes!) At least, I hope so. But there better be nothing like:

Gandalf: Phew! Frodo you stink!
Frodo: I know. I had several helping of beans and garlic bread at the supper.
Gandalf: Aaaah! Run away!
Frodo: Burrrrrrp! *pfft*

...or I will have to send my cousin's hamster on PJ and co.

Celebréiel · 03-03-2003, 02:20 PM

well, being a silly optimist im really hoping PJ takes a higher road for rotk and maybe doesnt make any specific character into comic relief but yeah, maybe adds a few 'tension breaking' jokes

Near the end it will lighten up, so yeah...*crosses fingers*

Daughter of Elros · 03-03-2003, 05:59 PM

you can't have a movie as long as a LotR movie w/o comic relief- it won't sell to the general (read: unobsessed) public. I think they'll lean towards legolas and Aragorn making quips and such. they can do the same with Faramir too, I suppose.
just my opinion- and I don't think that it'll hurt the feel of the movie in any way, like it would if sam became all comical and jank.

-DoE

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 03-03-2003, 07:18 PM

The Gimli thing is my biggest gripe with PJ. I can deal with Arwen and all that stuff, but I cannot see any justification whatsoever for the comic bit with him

Fimbrethil · 03-03-2003, 09:20 PM

Well darwves do seem like a more serious bunch don't they? But I think that might be the whole reason PJ put the comedy with who he did because it would be unlooked for in those charaterze(sp?). Although I can't really see him being able to put to much comedy in ROTK because it is full of tension; I mean can you really see the dead as they're following Aragorn weaving in and out sining a drinking song? That was kinda weak but it was the only thing I could think of off the top of my head.

WallRocker · 03-03-2003, 09:31 PM

I'm gonna regret getting in on this discussion, but I did not have a problem with Gimli being 'comic relief'. I also enjoy the privalage of keeping the movies seperate from the books

Also, Shelob could be funny in RotK. Didn't Coney say she was Gollums Mother-in-law?

Coney · 03-03-2003, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Also, Shelob could be funny in RotK. Didn't Coney say she was Gollums Mother-in-law?

Nope, wasn't me

TheRingIsMine · 03-03-2003, 10:13 PM

i think its great that gimli is funny. it just proves how funny (comic, not weird) short people can be! in Rotk there will probably be funny lines thrown in given to various characters. and you can't forget about gollum.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-03-2003, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fimbrethil
Although I can't really see him being able to put to much comedy in ROTK because it is full of tension

So? The Lord of the Rings is a great, epic heroic romance, full of high and dark themes.

ENTER:

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: SLAPSTICK

markedel · 03-03-2003, 11:14 PM

But Pippin did add some humor at the beginning of ROTK-and we're going to need some light to contrast with Frodo's odyssey.

Insidious Rex · 03-04-2003, 12:17 AM

well look at it this way people: would you rather have a funny dwarf (even if it does make you cringe after a while) or would you rather have Jackson insert a jar-jar character to keep the kiddies giggling? Give me the dwarf i say...

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-04-2003, 12:23 AM

Or a movie which is actually true to the spirit of the book? (Eru forbid)

Daughter of Elros · 03-05-2003, 12:10 PM

Gwaimir- do me a fovor- I want to try to prove a point.

Pick a book that has been made into a movie. And then look at how much it was changed to be turned into a movie. See? You can't possibly turn a movie into a carbon copy of the book it was based on. I think that we should give PJ credit for the amazing work he's done. And I mean- it could have been worse- PJ DID make just about the goriest zombie movie of all time. it takes an amazing person to direct both that type of thing and then later, Lord of the Rings- and get it so damn close to perfect- he's a great director- no doubt about it.

-DoE

samwiselvr2008 · 03-05-2003, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Daughter of Elros
and get it so damn close to perfect- he's a great director- no doubt about it.
-DoE

Close to it? you considerd the movie close to the books??? The comic relief in my opinion is good ion some parts, but in other parts it is just over done, know what I mean?

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-05-2003, 08:44 PM

I saw a movie adaptation of Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar', which was very, very close to the original, maybe even identical. Also, The Princess Bride was also very, very true to the book. The Narnia movies, while not best quality special effects, were also very true to source material. It seems to me that it really matters whether or not the director really cares about preserving the book, or at least how much.

03-02-2003, 01:51 PM	#1
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	Comic Relief So, in The Fellowship of the Ring, Merry and Pippon took over the "need" for comic relief. In The Two Towers, we saw that Gimli took over Merry and Pippons job, so I'm thinking that PJ wont be using any of them agian for CR. So, my question is, who will do it this time? Think about it, who else COULD do it, I didn't like Merry and Pippon and Gimli doing it, but just think about the other caricters doing it in ROTK: Legolas: he can't do it, he's an elf! Gandalf: He's Gandalf, what can I say? Gandalf is to strong, series, and everything else Aragorn: He's about to become king, how could they posably do it to him? Samwise: His part in this movie is to important to be messed with, this is Sam's big moment, Sam's turn to be faithfull, they can't do that to Sammy! Frodo: Frodo is basically out of it, the ring is taking over his mind, and after Shelobs lier, he is totally dependant on Sam, just about Gollum: he is a very important charicter, and I think that he is to important for them to mess up his charicter. Shelob: Very important, but small part, and she has to be terrible the whole time, and heynis (can't spell, so I'll change that to plane old evil) to do comic relief Other Chariters, soldiers, Arwen ect.: parts arn't big anouph, and even if they were, they arn't the type, there to bussy fighting and all of that type of stuff! __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

03-02-2003, 03:42 PM	#2
Celebriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 139	PJ might have inserted little jokes to ease the strain of watching the huge war that is about to happen. In FOTR and TTT, some characters seemed to be funnier than the rest, but each had their own laughs. Maybe the comedy will be little quips here and there. By the by, I hate how PJ portrayed Gimli as half-witted comic relief. I know he is not at fault, audiences need to be entertained. But still, the dwarves didn't send Gimli to fumble around. Grrr. __________________ ~ Celebriel ~ Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes. ~ __________________

03-02-2003, 03:44 PM	#3
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	He is at blame. Audiences aren't a bunch of drivelling idiots. They can have other entertainment than cheap pokes at Dwarves, or idiotic Hobbits. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-02-2003, 05:03 PM	#4
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	I totally agree. But you gotta admit they were funny i.e. "The closer we are to danger the farther we from harm." Although when I went to see TTT it was like no one had a sense of homor(sp?) it was dead quiet the whole time (with the exception of the movie). __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

03-02-2003, 05:07 PM	#5
Celebriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 139	You two are lucky that you have such mature fellow movie-goers. I saw LOTR last night and the place was half-full of people who did not care about the movie. An adolescent couple was even making out a few rows in front. I wished I had some popcorn to toss at them while they were re-enacting the love scenes of Arwen and Aragorn. __________________ ~ Celebriel ~ Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes. ~ __________________

03-02-2003, 07:19 PM	#6
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	I don't think there will be any comic relief in the next movie. In my opinion, it's the most serious out of all three, with the war and Cirith Ungol and the crowning of Aragorn and all. There may be a few funny comments here and there, but nothing major like the mockery of Gimli (they shouldn't have made him seem like an idiot! He's the best Dwarf and he's got those cool axes!) At least, I hope so. But there better be nothing like: Gandalf: Phew! Frodo you stink! Frodo: I know. I had several helping of beans and garlic bread at the supper. Gandalf: Aaaah! Run away! Frodo: Burrrrrrp! pfft ...or I will have to send my cousin's hamster on PJ and co. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

03-03-2003, 02:20 PM	#7
Celebréiel Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A house! Posts: 376	well, being a silly optimist im really hoping PJ takes a higher road for rotk and maybe doesnt make any specific character into comic relief but yeah, maybe adds a few 'tension breaking' jokes Near the end it will lighten up, so yeah...crosses fingers __________________ Peace Yeah, Your an individual...just like everyone else. http://cartalien.deviantart.com/ - Arty goodness

03-03-2003, 05:59 PM	#8
Daughter of Elros Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 69	you can't have a movie as long as a LotR movie w/o comic relief- it won't sell to the general (read: unobsessed) public. I think they'll lean towards legolas and Aragorn making quips and such. they can do the same with Faramir too, I suppose. just my opinion- and I don't think that it'll hurt the feel of the movie in any way, like it would if sam became all comical and jank. -DoE

03-03-2003, 07:18 PM	#9
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	The Gimli thing is my biggest gripe with PJ. I can deal with Arwen and all that stuff, but I cannot see any justification whatsoever for the comic bit with him __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

03-03-2003, 09:20 PM	#10
Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Well darwves do seem like a more serious bunch don't they? But I think that might be the whole reason PJ put the comedy with who he did because it would be unlooked for in those charaterze(sp?). Although I can't really see him being able to put to much comedy in ROTK because it is full of tension; I mean can you really see the dead as they're following Aragorn weaving in and out sining a drinking song? That was kinda weak but it was the only thing I could think of off the top of my head. __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

03-03-2003, 09:31 PM	#11
WallRocker Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: At the computer... Posts: 376	I'm gonna regret getting in on this discussion, but I did not have a problem with Gimli being 'comic relief'. I also enjoy the privalage of keeping the movies seperate from the books Also, Shelob could be funny in RotK. Didn't Coney say she was Gollums Mother-in-law? __________________ Do one thing every day that scares you ~Anonymous~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><<>< <>< <>< <>< I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation UNDER GOD with liberty and justice for all

03-03-2003, 10:13 PM	#13
TheRingIsMine Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: outer space Posts: 12	i think its great that gimli is funny. it just proves how funny (comic, not weird) short people can be! in Rotk there will probably be funny lines thrown in given to various characters. and you can't forget about gollum. __________________ Gandalf: I liked white better. Elrond: Many Elves and many mighty Men and many of their friends, had perished in the war Merry: I'm hungry, what is the time? ~Peace~

03-03-2003, 11:14 PM	#15
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	But Pippin did add some humor at the beginning of ROTK-and we're going to need some light to contrast with Frodo's odyssey. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-04-2003, 12:17 AM	#16
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	well look at it this way people: would you rather have a funny dwarf (even if it does make you cringe after a while) or would you rather have Jackson insert a jar-jar character to keep the kiddies giggling? Give me the dwarf i say... __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

03-04-2003, 12:23 AM	#17
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Or a movie which is actually true to the spirit of the book? (Eru forbid) __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-05-2003, 12:10 PM	#18
Daughter of Elros Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 69	Gwaimir- do me a fovor- I want to try to prove a point. Pick a book that has been made into a movie. And then look at how much it was changed to be turned into a movie. See? You can't possibly turn a movie into a carbon copy of the book it was based on. I think that we should give PJ credit for the amazing work he's done. And I mean- it could have been worse- PJ DID make just about the goriest zombie movie of all time. it takes an amazing person to direct both that type of thing and then later, Lord of the Rings- and get it so damn close to perfect- he's a great director- no doubt about it. -DoE

03-05-2003, 08:44 PM	#20
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I saw a movie adaptation of Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar', which was very, very close to the original, maybe even identical. Also, The Princess Bride was also very, very true to the book. The Narnia movies, while not best quality special effects, were also very true to source material. It seems to me that it really matters whether or not the director really cares about preserving the book, or at least how much. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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