If you could remove one scene...

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 03-01-2003, 11:13 PM

If you could remove one scene from FOTR and one scene from TTT, what would they be. Keep in mind, I do NOT mean plot changes, such as Osgiliath, Arwen, etc. Just scenes within the movie that didn't seem right to you.

My picks:

FOTR: the part where gandalf is doing the spinning/breakdance scene to the tune of Saruman's staff. Too over the top.

TTT: the part where Frodo and Sam hide under the Elven cloak. When they are looking through the material from underneath, the guy's foot is right beside them. When the camera switched back outside, he is several feet away. I think the scene sucks.

(close 2nd is Legolas' skateboard trick)

Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood · 03-01-2003, 11:18 PM

I would want Arwen's dumb lovesick "I have made my choice scene" in TTT to go away.

Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood · 03-01-2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Balrog_or_Morgoth

(close 2nd is Legolas' skateboard trick)

I liked that scene. *blushes* I AM NOT A FANGIRL!!!!

Thank you...

Celebriel · 03-02-2003, 12:32 AM

First, I would remove the Osgiliath scenes, since they never happened.

Second, the scene where Haldir...ahem.

Third, the scenes that make Gimli look like nothing more than half-witted comic relief.

Fourth, the scene where Aragorn is awakened by Brego. C'mon people, he knew it was the horse, not Arwen. *Throws popcorn at the peanut gallery*

Celebriel · 03-02-2003, 12:34 AM

Wait, that was four. Sorry, I get carried away. ^__^

Lollypopgurl · 03-02-2003, 12:46 AM

In FOTR: The shot in which Arwen says, "If you want him, come and claim him!" I get annoyed there.

In TT: The scene where Frodo goes: "Nothing..... (three hours go by) Just a dream." Ok, so not the whole scene. Just make him say it quicker.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-02-2003, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by Celebriel
Second, the scene where Haldir...ahem.

Shows his chubby face?

Anyway...

I think I'd better not get into this.

Elf.Freak · 03-02-2003, 05:49 AM

FOTR: The Cave Trool scene...hello? my butt was hurting during that!
TTT: well, i wouldn't remove a scene, but edit one. When Aragorn & co meet Gandalf. He says 'Gandalf, yes, that's what they used to call me', but don't Pippin & Merry see him first? Wouldn't they have called him 'Gandalf'?

Legolas' 'Skateboard' trick was cool! (very hard trying to do that in a cardboard box down my stairs, but sisters make such good speed bumps...

)

Elf Girl · 03-02-2003, 10:13 AM

FotR: If you want him, come and claim him. It would be better to delete the Ford all together than that.

TTT: Aragorn's whole, fall-over-the-cliff, think-a-horse-is-Arwen scene.

Black Breathalizer · 03-02-2003, 10:15 AM

FOTR: I wanted Gandalf's imprisonment by Saruman to be a flashback that was shared with Frodo. Frodo deserved to know on screen why Gandalf didn't meet him in Bree.

TTT: I know it will happen in the Extended DVD and ROTK, but I would have changed just a few of Faramir's lines to "warm" him up a bit.

Otherwise, we're talking near perfection, folks.

Lalaith · 03-02-2003, 12:36 PM

First I would delete the mean Faramir scences.

And second the whole Aragorn seems to be dead plot. Totally useless.

Black Breathalizer · 03-02-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
The whole Aragorn seems to be dead plot. Totally useless.

Dead plot?!?!? The next movie is entitled The Return of the King for crying out loud!

Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood · 03-02-2003, 12:58 PM

Why did they make Arwen so, I LOVE HIM I GOTTA HAVE HIM, I WOULD DIE FOR HIM!!!!

She is better in the book.

Black Breathalizer · 03-02-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood
Why did they make Arwen so, I LOVE HIM I GOTTA HAVE HIM, I WOULD DIE FOR HIM!!!!

Because in the book Arwen loved him, had to have him and was willing to sacrifice her immortality for him. Besides the flight to the Ford (which we've debated to death) the only difference from the book is that PJ is focusing on this intriguing love story more than Tolkien did.

Lady of Rohan · 03-02-2003, 01:16 PM

TTT: When Aragorn thinks that Arwen is a horse

FotR: Galadriel's scary voice (when she suddenly grows taller and she turns blue. That part is really scary....)

Celebriel · 03-02-2003, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Shows his chubby face?

*Sniffle* Yes, actually, he was never even at Helm's Deep. But still... *Sniffle* He was very good looking.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-02-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Because in the book Arwen loved him, had to have him and was willing to sacrifice her immortality for him. Besides the flight to the Ford (which we've debated to death) the only difference from the book is that PJ is focusing on this intriguing love story more than Tolkien did.

The reason Tolkien didn't focus on it is because it did not belong in the Lord of the Rings, as he states in his letters.

Black Breathalizer · 03-02-2003, 04:17 PM

I don't know what Tolkien's LETTERS say, but the books HE WROTE include the love story of Arwen and Aragorn. Jackson didn't make it up. The only difference between the books and the movies is the level of focus. So don't give us any baloney about this romance not belonging in LOTR. It most certainly does.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-02-2003, 05:29 PM

No, it is in poor keeping with the story. That is why Tolkien relegated it to the Appendices. Sorry about the confusion; he said that, while he liked the story, it did NOT belong with the main story of the Lord of the Rings, and therefore he put it in the back.

***azalea*** · 03-02-2003, 07:06 PM

In Fellowship, I guess it would have to be the scene when the Nazgul enter Bree and smash the gate down, killing the gatekeeper.

In TTT, I would take out the scene where Galadriel and Elrond are communicating telepathically about the unfolding events. The problem is that that scene is the lead-in for the elves coming to Helm's Deep, so something would have to be done in its place to explain it.

03-01-2003, 11:13 PM	#1
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	If you could remove one scene... If you could remove one scene from FOTR and one scene from TTT, what would they be. Keep in mind, I do NOT mean plot changes, such as Osgiliath, Arwen, etc. Just scenes within the movie that didn't seem right to you. My picks: FOTR: the part where gandalf is doing the spinning/breakdance scene to the tune of Saruman's staff. Too over the top. TTT: the part where Frodo and Sam hide under the Elven cloak. When they are looking through the material from underneath, the guy's foot is right beside them. When the camera switched back outside, he is several feet away. I think the scene sucks. (close 2nd is Legolas' skateboard trick) __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

03-01-2003, 11:18 PM	#2
Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood The Precious Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glasgow Posts: 204	I would want Arwen's dumb lovesick "I have made my choice scene" in TTT to go away. __________________ was holding on hanging by a thread clinging to three words you said but words are meaningless in your absence.

03-02-2003, 12:32 AM	#4
Celebriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 139	First, I would remove the Osgiliath scenes, since they never happened. Second, the scene where Haldir...ahem. Third, the scenes that make Gimli look like nothing more than half-witted comic relief. Fourth, the scene where Aragorn is awakened by Brego. C'mon people, he knew it was the horse, not Arwen. Throws popcorn at the peanut gallery __________________ ~ Celebriel ~ Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes. ~ __________________

03-02-2003, 12:34 AM	#5
Celebriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 139	Wait, that was four. Sorry, I get carried away. ^__^ __________________ ~ Celebriel ~ Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes. ~ __________________

03-02-2003, 12:46 AM	#6
Lollypopgurl Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 222	In FOTR: The shot in which Arwen says, "If you want him, come and claim him!" I get annoyed there. In TT: The scene where Frodo goes: "Nothing..... (three hours go by) Just a dream." Ok, so not the whole scene. Just make him say it quicker. __________________ a violinist...

03-02-2003, 05:49 AM	#8
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	FOTR: The Cave Trool scene...hello? my butt was hurting during that! TTT: well, i wouldn't remove a scene, but edit one. When Aragorn & co meet Gandalf. He says 'Gandalf, yes, that's what they used to call me', but don't Pippin & Merry see him first? Wouldn't they have called him 'Gandalf'? Legolas' 'Skateboard' trick was cool! (very hard trying to do that in a cardboard box down my stairs, but sisters make such good speed bumps...) __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

03-02-2003, 10:13 AM	#9
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	FotR: If you want him, come and claim him. It would be better to delete the Ford all together than that. TTT: Aragorn's whole, fall-over-the-cliff, think-a-horse-is-Arwen scene. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-02-2003, 10:15 AM	#10
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	FOTR: I wanted Gandalf's imprisonment by Saruman to be a flashback that was shared with Frodo. Frodo deserved to know on screen why Gandalf didn't meet him in Bree. TTT: I know it will happen in the Extended DVD and ROTK, but I would have changed just a few of Faramir's lines to "warm" him up a bit. Otherwise, we're talking near perfection, folks.

03-02-2003, 12:36 PM	#11
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	First I would delete the mean Faramir scences. And second the whole Aragorn seems to be dead plot. Totally useless. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-02-2003, 12:58 PM	#13
Lady_of_the_Golden_Wood The Precious Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glasgow Posts: 204	Why did they make Arwen so, I LOVE HIM I GOTTA HAVE HIM, I WOULD DIE FOR HIM!!!! She is better in the book. __________________ was holding on hanging by a thread clinging to three words you said but words are meaningless in your absence.

03-02-2003, 01:16 PM	#15
Lady of Rohan Doughy Elf Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,006	TTT: When Aragorn thinks that Arwen is a horse FotR: Galadriel's scary voice (when she suddenly grows taller and she turns blue. That part is really scary....)

03-02-2003, 04:17 PM	#18
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	I don't know what Tolkien's LETTERS say, but the books HE WROTE include the love story of Arwen and Aragorn. Jackson didn't make it up. The only difference between the books and the movies is the level of focus. So don't give us any baloney about this romance not belonging in LOTR. It most certainly does.

03-02-2003, 05:29 PM	#19
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	No, it is in poor keeping with the story. That is why Tolkien relegated it to the Appendices. Sorry about the confusion; he said that, while he liked the story, it did NOT belong with the main story of the Lord of the Rings, and therefore he put it in the back. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-02-2003, 07:06 PM	#20
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	In Fellowship, I guess it would have to be the scene when the Nazgul enter Bree and smash the gate down, killing the gatekeeper. In TTT, I would take out the scene where Galadriel and Elrond are communicating telepathically about the unfolding events. The problem is that that scene is the lead-in for the elves coming to Helm's Deep, so something would have to be done in its place to explain it.

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