Is the Arkenstone a Silmaril?

cassiopeia · 12-27-2002, 05:57 AM

Forgive me if this is in the wrong forum, it encompasses The Silmarillion and The Hobbit, so I decided to place it here. I found this question on another board and found it interesting so here it is: Is the arkenstone Maedhros' lost silmaril? We know that Maedhros cast himself into a chasm with the silmaril and that the dwarves found the arkenstone in Erebor. The arkenstone and silmaril are similar in apearance. My main objection to them being the same object is the fact that the arkenstone was eventually buried with Thorin. Would the elves (or any race) let a silmaril be buried? I would like to know peoples thoughts on this, I find it quite facinating.

Sween · 12-27-2002, 06:37 AM

I very much doubt it is

claudia silver · 12-27-2002, 11:50 AM

It's a good job it wasn't when you think about Feanor's oath to:

pursue with vengeance and hatred to the end of the World any creature; born or yet unborn, great or small, good or evil, that take or keep a Silmaril from their possession.

Coney · 12-27-2002, 01:54 PM

Nah, the Arkenstone was described as being -

Quote:

cut and fashioned by the dwarves, who had dug it from the heart of the mountain long ago,

I think it would have been time for Smaug-kebab long before The Hobbit if the elves had gained a hint of a Silmaril

Although I'm pretty sure that the idea for the Arkenstone came from his earlier scribblings, the book now known as The Silmarillion

Eothain · 12-27-2002, 04:36 PM

I don't think it is.

Falagar · 12-27-2002, 05:28 PM

We know where the Silmarilli are, so it can't be any of them.

Radagast The Brown · 12-28-2002, 06:26 AM

Falagar is right. One in the ground, one in the sea, one in the sky - it can't be the one in the ground because Mandos it suppose to stay there until the end of the world.

12-27-2002, 05:57 AM	#1
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Is the Arkenstone a Silmaril? Forgive me if this is in the wrong forum, it encompasses The Silmarillion and The Hobbit, so I decided to place it here. I found this question on another board and found it interesting so here it is: Is the arkenstone Maedhros' lost silmaril? We know that Maedhros cast himself into a chasm with the silmaril and that the dwarves found the arkenstone in Erebor. The arkenstone and silmaril are similar in apearance. My main objection to them being the same object is the fact that the arkenstone was eventually buried with Thorin. Would the elves (or any race) let a silmaril be buried? I would like to know peoples thoughts on this, I find it quite facinating. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

12-27-2002, 06:37 AM	#2
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	I very much doubt it is __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

12-27-2002, 11:50 AM	#3
claudia silver Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North West England Posts: 58	It's a good job it wasn't when you think about Feanor's oath to: pursue with vengeance and hatred to the end of the World any creature; born or yet unborn, great or small, good or evil, that take or keep a Silmaril from their possession. __________________ "The wolf that one hears is worse than the orc that one fears." Boromir

12-27-2002, 04:36 PM	#5
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	LOTR I don't think it is. __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

12-27-2002, 05:28 PM	#6
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	We know where the Silmarilli are, so it can't be any of them. __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

12-28-2002, 06:26 AM	#7
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Falagar is right. One in the ground, one in the sea, one in the sky - it can't be the one in the ground because Mandos it suppose to stay there until the end of the world. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

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