Did Glorfindel (explicitly) leave ME.

afro-elf · 08-16-2002, 11:10 PM

Did Glorfindel (explicitly) leave ME.

I think he RODE to the Havens, yet does it say he left?

***Fat middle*** · 08-17-2002, 11:57 AM

no he never left ME. he rode to the havens and he even get a ship but he suffered a shipwreck when he was about to arrive Tol Eressëa and was drowned. a nice dinner for ME sharks...

are you serious with this question, o Lord of Nick-Picking?

afro-elf · 08-17-2002, 01:12 PM

I don't have my books with me here in Thailand, so I can't check myself. I was reading something MM wrote and he mentioned that it is never said Glorfindel left ME. So, I was trying to glean some info.

The Lady of Ithilien · 08-18-2002, 03:37 PM

Checked the book: Gildor and "many fair Elven folk" rode to the havens with Elrond and Galadriel, but I don't see Glorfindel mentioned there specifically, just that "With them went many Elves of the High Kindred who would no longer stay in Middle-earth." "Many," not "all." In the Appendix, it's also said that Celeborn moved to Rivendell not long after Galadriel left and lived with the sons of Elrond for a while before departing Middle-earth, but again no mention of Glorfindel.

afro-elf · 08-19-2002, 12:44 AM

Thank you.

afro-elf · 03-27-2003, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Why didn't Glorfindel leave Middle Earth at the end of the Third Age with the Ring-bearers? He was sent to aid Elrond and Gandalf and to help the inhabitants of ME in their struggles with Sauron. His mission was over - Sauron was vanquished and Elrond and Gandalf were leaving. It would only make sense that he leave as well.

Any thoughts?

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-27-2003, 05:03 AM

Wait: Glorfindel was sent? As in by the Valar?

Oy, I'm so dumb...

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-27-2003, 06:28 AM

Yes, Tolkiens 'Last Writings; HoME 12 tells us about Glorfindel being sent by the Valar.

afro-elf · 03-27-2003, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Wait: Glorfindel was sent? As in by the Valar?

Oy, I'm so dumb...

check the "why did Glorfindel come back to life" thread

Findegil · 03-27-2003, 04:32 PM

I couldn't find it, but I remeber a text that said when Celeboren left Middle-Earth, that with him the last living memory of the Elder days left. If that is true (and in such things my memory seldom fails), that Glorfindel must have left before Celeborn or together with him.

Respectfully
Findegil

Artanis · 03-27-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Findegil
I couldn't find it, but I remeber a text that said when Celeboren left Middle-Earth, that with him the last living memory of the Elder days left. If that is true (and in such things my memory seldom fails), that Glorfindel must have left before Celeborn or together with him.

Your memory does not fail you, Findegil. Here is the text:

Quote:

It is said that Celeborn went to dwell there after the departure of Galadriel; but there is no record of the day when at last he sought the Grey Havens, and with him went the last living memory of the Elder Days in Middle-earth.

***Fat middle*** · 03-27-2003, 04:55 PM

rereading this thread i've seen how harsh i sounded in my response past summer. sorry, afro-elf

Quote:

Why didn't Glorfindel leave Middle Earth at the end of the Third Age with the Ring-bearers? He was sent to aid Elrond and Gandalf and to help the inhabitants of ME in their struggles with Sauron. His mission was over - Sauron was vanquished and Elrond and Gandalf were leaving. It would only make sense that he leave as well.

where is your quote from?

Artanis · 03-27-2003, 05:03 PM

Nevermind.

afro-elf · 03-28-2003, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fat middle
rereading this thread i've seen how harsh i sounded in my response past summer. sorry, afro-elf

where is your quote from?

No problem Fat Middle. I was kind of suprised by the force of the reply, but forgive and forget.

There was a discussion on the Xenite Forums and I got the quote from there.

08-16-2002, 11:10 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Did Glorfindel (explicitly) leave ME. Did Glorfindel (explicitly) leave ME. I think he RODE to the Havens, yet does it say he left? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-17-2002, 11:57 AM	#2
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	no he never left ME. he rode to the havens and he even get a ship but he suffered a shipwreck when he was about to arrive Tol Eressëa and was drowned. a nice dinner for ME sharks... are you serious with this question, o Lord of Nick-Picking? __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

08-17-2002, 01:12 PM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	I don't have my books with me here in Thailand, so I can't check myself. I was reading something MM wrote and he mentioned that it is never said Glorfindel left ME. So, I was trying to glean some info. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-19-2002, 12:44 AM	#5
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Thank you. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-27-2003, 05:03 AM	#7
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Wait: Glorfindel was sent? As in by the Valar? Oy, I'm so dumb... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

08-18-2002, 03:37 PM	#4
The Lady of Ithilien Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right here in between yesterday and tomorrow. Posts: 357	Checked the book: Gildor and "many fair Elven folk" rode to the havens with Elrond and Galadriel, but I don't see Glorfindel mentioned there specifically, just that "With them went many Elves of the High Kindred who would no longer stay in Middle-earth." "Many," not "all." In the Appendix, it's also said that Celeborn moved to Rivendell not long after Galadriel left and lived with the sons of Elrond for a while before departing Middle-earth, but again no mention of Glorfindel.

03-27-2003, 06:28 AM	#8
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	Yes, Tolkiens 'Last Writings; HoME 12 tells us about Glorfindel being sent by the Valar.

03-27-2003, 04:32 PM	#10
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	I couldn't find it, but I remeber a text that said when Celeboren left Middle-Earth, that with him the last living memory of the Elder days left. If that is true (and in such things my memory seldom fails), that Glorfindel must have left before Celeborn or together with him. Respectfully Findegil

03-27-2003, 05:03 PM	#13
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Nevermind. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die. Last edited by Artanis : 03-27-2003 at 05:05 PM.

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