Martin Csokas As Celeborn???

Pippin Skywalker · 03-13-2002, 07:40 PM

I am sorry and sad to say that this actor was not that elvish. He had a round face (an elf with a cherubic face!!?!) that was not as like to the part as one would like. Plus he only had one line! Celeborn though perhaps not as IMPORTANT as Galadriel was still of note. He was no cheapo "wood elf" but was originally alive in the time of the Silmarillion and supposedly a kinsmen (or part of that group) of Thingol, one of the greatest of the elf kings. Perhaps we will see more of him in the half hour of extra DVD footage.

Do you all agree or you think I'm just being to picky? Open debate is welcome my fellow middle earthlings!

Personally, I think the most elvish looking elf was Haldir. His face was cool...his hair shined...they did a good job with him. Craig Parker did that role well. How about HIM as Celeborn? Legolas was pretty good.....as far as LOOKING his part. You do have to take into consideration that it is hard to find actors who really and truely LOOK like elves. Elves have a rather unique physiology...plus the whole glow in the dark thing throughs a lot of digital artists and FXmeisters for a loop!

dark over lord · 03-13-2002, 07:45 PM

i think you're just being picky. so what if he doesn't look like an elf, it's not like they exist for us to hire one

markedel · 03-13-2002, 09:09 PM

And for added loreness he could be Teleri

TinuvielChild · 03-13-2002, 10:09 PM

i don't think either one of them looked very 'elvish', but i'm notoriously picky when it comes to who is playing my kinsmen

.

i do think that orlando bloom looked very elvish, he's got the right face shape. same goes for hugo weaving, although i still always see him as Agent Smith!!!

Pippin Skywalker · 03-13-2002, 10:25 PM

Markedel- I know the actual people of Celeborn is ambiguous....I am familiar with that...but he is a very ancient elf married to a rather important person. I say he should have been more elvish!

Elves grow on trees
Among the Mallorn leaves

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-14-2002, 12:30 AM

I didn't think Martin Csokas was quite Celeborn-ish, or Elvish. I think I (and Pippin Skywalker, etc.) am being picky, but sometimes picky is okay. I don't think he looked the part, nor acted it like the elf Celeborn is. So, yeah, I would agree, Pippin Skywalker.

If you get Agent Smith out of your mind, I think Hugo Weaving worked, too. Mostly. But I keep thinking. . ."Mister Bagginss. You seem to have been leading two lives. . ."

Haldir was great. So was Legolas. In looks, and acting/overall elvishness.

But I thought the most "elvish" person in the entire movie was Cate Blanchett as Galadriel. But I guess we were talking about male elves. . .

Andúril · 03-14-2002, 09:28 AM

I had no problem with Celeborn or any of the other elven characters EXCEPT :

1) Elrond (Agent Smith is DEFINITELY NOT fair of face, as LOTR describes)

2) The guard-elves standing behind Haldir in Lothlorien. Male or female? Probably male. But really strange looking. Especially when directly compared to Haldir.

Just an enquiry, but did Tolkien ever give a description of an elven face that is not synonomous with the average human face, although slightly "fairer"?

StrawberryIcecream · 03-14-2002, 12:31 PM

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

How can ANYONE think Csokas didnt play the part of an elf PERFECTLY?

I LOVED him in it and I think he was sooooo cool and I'm sorry but he looked more elven like than Legolas! Oh dear Frodo... Eowyn144 is gping to kill me!

Ok. So maybe Legolas did look like an elf but still, he reminded me of Robin Hood too many times!

I shall sum this all up by simply typing:

CELEBORN IS COOL!

eowyn144 · 03-14-2002, 02:54 PM

but he only got 1 line!get over him already strawberry.

legolas was my favourite elf-he looked just right in my head and Haldir was great too.the elves in the background....probably male i suppose but definetly looking rather feminine!
as for elrond..hmm.

Gerbil · 03-14-2002, 03:01 PM

The main thing to annoy me about the elves was that Tolkien states quite clearly they suffer nothing like blemishes, wrinkles etc.

Close up on Elrond I thought I was looking at a moonscape with all those craters, and close up of Liv 'ugly' Tyler all I can see are those tiny brown skin thingies that are in fact several feet high on the screen.

No no NO!

Elves had flawless skin at all times!

Lucky sods

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-14-2002, 03:25 PM

Okay, so elves have flawless skin. Unfortunately, humans don't, and that's all there was to play the parts. I don't think it's possible to give actors perfect skin!

And although I don't think Hugo Weaving is as "fair of face" as an elf should be, I thought he worked because (when he wasnt' being sinister) he had an elven-ness about him. Well, that's what I thought anyway. I thought his best moments were in the Last Alliance battle. Although was he really supposed to be in command?

Gerbil · 03-14-2002, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
Okay, so elves have flawless skin. Unfortunately, humans don't, and that's all there was to play the parts. I don't think it's possible to give actors perfect skin!

Of course it is - that's part of the job of the make-up department

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-14-2002, 05:35 PM

Even the best make-up department in the world cannot give a human perfect skin, Gerbil. It's impossible.

Gerbil · 03-14-2002, 09:15 PM

They don't have to give you perfect skin, just the illusion of perfect skin, and they do that regularly.

Just about all make-up commercials, for starters.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-15-2002, 04:05 PM

Fine, fine, whatever, Gerbil. But still, elves with perfect skin weren't exactly the most important of things they had to worry about. Why bother caring about that when there are far more important things to spend money on in that movie. (and some less important things that they stuck in there. . .Galadriel's mirror and her going all wierd there. . .nevermind.)

Halley_Brandybuck · 03-15-2002, 04:51 PM

I think that his best elvish moment was in the Last Alliance battle scene

the elvish armor looked cool there too

Ërendil · 03-15-2002, 05:19 PM

I don't think that the guy who played Celeborn (I cant spell his name) looked the part or was included as much as he should have been. As for Haldir, from that moment he came on screen my friends and i was involved in a great debate if he was gay or not. They had the impression that Haldir looked and sounded gay and now burst into laughter evrytime we saw the film after that.
(Not funny when the other people in the cinema start telling you to be quiet and all you can hear is "he is sooooooo gay" "He is not gay" "Yes he is" "Haldir isn't gay!"

The point of all that is that i don't think that Haldir looks the part

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-16-2002, 01:40 AM

About Haldir-
The second I saw him near the borders of Lorien, I had instant inspiration for a "what were they really thinking" thing:
"I am one d*** sexy elf!"

Yup, I'm sure that's what he was thinking.

StrawberryIcecream · 03-16-2002, 06:42 AM

I am so sorry but I have just woken up and with all the lord of the rings reading i have forgotten who Haldir is!

I'm not normally this stupid!

Was he Ilsidurs father?

Ugh. Need cornflakes. Maybe they will wake me up.

Starr Polish · 03-16-2002, 11:06 AM

Haldir is an elf in Lorien. Do'nt remember much about him, don't have FOTR with me.

In the movie, he is the elf that comments on Gimli's loud breathing.

The dwarf breathes so loud we could have shot him in the dark.

03-13-2002, 07:40 PM	#1
Pippin Skywalker Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 93	Martin Csokas As Celeborn??? I am sorry and sad to say that this actor was not that elvish. He had a round face (an elf with a cherubic face!!?!) that was not as like to the part as one would like. Plus he only had one line! Celeborn though perhaps not as IMPORTANT as Galadriel was still of note. He was no cheapo "wood elf" but was originally alive in the time of the Silmarillion and supposedly a kinsmen (or part of that group) of Thingol, one of the greatest of the elf kings. Perhaps we will see more of him in the half hour of extra DVD footage. Do you all agree or you think I'm just being to picky? Open debate is welcome my fellow middle earthlings! Personally, I think the most elvish looking elf was Haldir. His face was cool...his hair shined...they did a good job with him. Craig Parker did that role well. How about HIM as Celeborn? Legolas was pretty good.....as far as LOOKING his part. You do have to take into consideration that it is hard to find actors who really and truely LOOK like elves. Elves have a rather unique physiology...plus the whole glow in the dark thing throughs a lot of digital artists and FXmeisters for a loop! __________________ Gimli: I'm Short! I'm Bad! I'm King of Khazaad! Note: That was not an actual quote from J.R.R. Tolkien's novel!

03-13-2002, 07:45 PM	#2
dark over lord Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 41	i think you're just being picky. so what if he doesn't look like an elf, it's not like they exist for us to hire one __________________ The question which once haunted my being has been answered. The future is not fixed, and my choices are my own. And yet, how ironic, for now I find, I have no choice at all. I am a warrior, let the battled be joined. -dinobot, and me, before i went and got myself shot- The sleeper has awakend, i am the prince of all sayans once again-Vegeta-

03-13-2002, 09:09 PM	#3
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	And for added loreness he could be Teleri __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-13-2002, 10:09 PM	#4
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	i don't think either one of them looked very 'elvish', but i'm notoriously picky when it comes to who is playing my kinsmen . i do think that orlando bloom looked very elvish, he's got the right face shape. same goes for hugo weaving, although i still always see him as Agent Smith!!! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

03-13-2002, 10:25 PM	#5
Pippin Skywalker Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 93	Markedel- I know the actual people of Celeborn is ambiguous....I am familiar with that...but he is a very ancient elf married to a rather important person. I say he should have been more elvish! Elves grow on trees Among the Mallorn leaves __________________ Gimli: I'm Short! I'm Bad! I'm King of Khazaad! Note: That was not an actual quote from J.R.R. Tolkien's novel!

03-14-2002, 12:30 AM	#6
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I didn't think Martin Csokas was quite Celeborn-ish, or Elvish. I think I (and Pippin Skywalker, etc.) am being picky, but sometimes picky is okay. I don't think he looked the part, nor acted it like the elf Celeborn is. So, yeah, I would agree, Pippin Skywalker. If you get Agent Smith out of your mind, I think Hugo Weaving worked, too. Mostly. But I keep thinking. . ."Mister Bagginss. You seem to have been leading two lives. . ." Haldir was great. So was Legolas. In looks, and acting/overall elvishness. But I thought the most "elvish" person in the entire movie was Cate Blanchett as Galadriel. But I guess we were talking about male elves. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-14-2002, 09:28 AM	#7
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	I had no problem with Celeborn or any of the other elven characters EXCEPT : 1) Elrond (Agent Smith is DEFINITELY NOT fair of face, as LOTR describes) 2) The guard-elves standing behind Haldir in Lothlorien. Male or female? Probably male. But really strange looking. Especially when directly compared to Haldir. Just an enquiry, but did Tolkien ever give a description of an elven face that is not synonomous with the average human face, although slightly "fairer"? Last edited by Andúril : 03-14-2002 at 09:30 AM.

03-14-2002, 12:31 PM	#8
StrawberryIcecream Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In my jeans Posts: 915	NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How can ANYONE think Csokas didnt play the part of an elf PERFECTLY? I LOVED him in it and I think he was sooooo cool and I'm sorry but he looked more elven like than Legolas! Oh dear Frodo... Eowyn144 is gping to kill me! Ok. So maybe Legolas did look like an elf but still, he reminded me of Robin Hood too many times! I shall sum this all up by simply typing: CELEBORN IS COOL! __________________ www.foolofatook.com for all you pippin's out there. Last edited by StrawberryIcecream : 03-14-2002 at 12:36 PM.

03-14-2002, 02:54 PM	#9
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	but he only got 1 line!get over him already strawberry. legolas was my favourite elf-he looked just right in my head and Haldir was great too.the elves in the background....probably male i suppose but definetly looking rather feminine! as for elrond..hmm. __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

03-14-2002, 03:01 PM	#10
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	The main thing to annoy me about the elves was that Tolkien states quite clearly they suffer nothing like blemishes, wrinkles etc. Close up on Elrond I thought I was looking at a moonscape with all those craters, and close up of Liv 'ugly' Tyler all I can see are those tiny brown skin thingies that are in fact several feet high on the screen. No no NO! Elves had flawless skin at all times! Lucky sods __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

03-14-2002, 03:25 PM	#11
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Okay, so elves have flawless skin. Unfortunately, humans don't, and that's all there was to play the parts. I don't think it's possible to give actors perfect skin! And although I don't think Hugo Weaving is as "fair of face" as an elf should be, I thought he worked because (when he wasnt' being sinister) he had an elven-ness about him. Well, that's what I thought anyway. I thought his best moments were in the Last Alliance battle. Although was he really supposed to be in command? __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-14-2002, 05:35 PM	#13
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Even the best make-up department in the world cannot give a human perfect skin, Gerbil. It's impossible. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-14-2002, 09:15 PM	#14
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	They don't have to give you perfect skin, just the illusion of perfect skin, and they do that regularly. Just about all make-up commercials, for starters. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

03-15-2002, 04:05 PM	#15
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Fine, fine, whatever, Gerbil. But still, elves with perfect skin weren't exactly the most important of things they had to worry about. Why bother caring about that when there are far more important things to spend money on in that movie. (and some less important things that they stuck in there. . .Galadriel's mirror and her going all wierd there. . .nevermind.) __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-15-2002, 04:51 PM	#16
Halley_Brandybuck Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Griffith IN Posts: 136	I think that his best elvish moment was in the Last Alliance battle scene the elvish armor looked cool there too __________________ ~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months!

03-15-2002, 05:19 PM	#17
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I don't think that the guy who played Celeborn (I cant spell his name) looked the part or was included as much as he should have been. As for Haldir, from that moment he came on screen my friends and i was involved in a great debate if he was gay or not. They had the impression that Haldir looked and sounded gay and now burst into laughter evrytime we saw the film after that. (Not funny when the other people in the cinema start telling you to be quiet and all you can hear is "he is sooooooo gay" "He is not gay" "Yes he is" "Haldir isn't gay!" The point of all that is that i don't think that Haldir looks the part __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

03-16-2002, 01:40 AM	#18
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	About Haldir- The second I saw him near the borders of Lorien, I had instant inspiration for a "what were they really thinking" thing: "I am one d*** sexy elf!" Yup, I'm sure that's what he was thinking. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-16-2002, 06:42 AM	#19
StrawberryIcecream Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In my jeans Posts: 915	I am so sorry but I have just woken up and with all the lord of the rings reading i have forgotten who Haldir is! I'm not normally this stupid! Was he Ilsidurs father? Ugh. Need cornflakes. Maybe they will wake me up. __________________ www.foolofatook.com for all you pippin's out there.

03-16-2002, 11:06 AM	#20
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Haldir is an elf in Lorien. Do'nt remember much about him, don't have FOTR with me. In the movie, he is the elf that comments on Gimli's loud breathing. The dwarf breathes so loud we could have shot him in the dark. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

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