Saruman the Schizophrenic

FrodoFriend · 02-08-2002, 01:25 AM

Why the heck did Saruman keep talking to Gandalf throughout the movie? Did he suffer from some kind of Gollum-esque thing? I mean, come on, he just sits down, looks at his bestial book of Balrog drawings, and starts talking to Gandalf, who is hundreds of miles away? What is up with that???

jerseydevil · 02-08-2002, 02:26 AM

Jackson just needed a way to narrate that part of the movie. It's almost word for word from the book....

Gandalf tells the Fellowship about the origin of Mithril in the "A Journey in the Dark" -

"The Dwarves tell no tale; but even as mithril was the foundation of their wealth, so also it was their destruction: they delved too greedily and too deep, and disturbed that from which they fled, Durin's Bane. Of what they brought to light the Orcs have gathered nearly all, and given it in tribute to Sauron, who covets it."

Jackson just took the central part and used it as some forshadowing. If you notice when he flips through the book - it's the same picture that is in LOTR the books when the Fellowship reach the gates of Moria.

I think Jackson also used Saruman to "narrate" many other parts of the movie. Such as when the birds report back from Moria and he says "So you are going....."

Jackson needed some way to explain the movements of the Fellowship between all the action scenes.

Lightice · 02-08-2002, 08:35 AM

And I wouldn't wonder, if Gandalf could had heard him as well...
At least he heard his words, when he was chanting on top of Orthanc.

Alandiel · 02-09-2002, 05:51 PM

I think he was just nuts

FrodoFriend · 02-09-2002, 06:03 PM

LOL, yeah that's what I figured. Maybe he's just deeply insecure and needs that feeling of superiority over Gandalf.

Laurelyn · 02-09-2002, 09:44 PM

Hhhmmm . . . methinks Saruman's craked and gone nuts.
No, actually, I think that it was just a way to explain to viewers some stuff about the Balrog.

Renille · 02-09-2002, 09:55 PM

Unless he thought he was psychic and was trying to do ESP to mock Gandalf to his "face..."

Starr Polish · 02-09-2002, 09:58 PM

I think it is to kind of give a sense of why Gandalf doesn't want to go to Moria...I hadn't read the books when I first saw the movies and I found it helpful. Otherwise I would have been totally confused about the Balrog.

FrodoFriend · 02-10-2002, 03:26 AM

Well, I realize that PJ needed a narrator & everything, but that doesn't change the fact that Saruman keeps talking to himself! I kept wanting to yell during the movie, "Gandalf is hundreds of miles away, you dolt!"

aldesign · 02-10-2002, 07:06 PM

very good Explanation JerseyDevil

if only i were here earlier, i could of provided that

02-08-2002, 01:25 AM	#1
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Saruman the Schizophrenic Why the heck did Saruman keep talking to Gandalf throughout the movie? Did he suffer from some kind of Gollum-esque thing? I mean, come on, he just sits down, looks at his bestial book of Balrog drawings, and starts talking to Gandalf, who is hundreds of miles away? What is up with that??? __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-08-2002, 02:26 AM	#2
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Jackson just needed a way to narrate that part of the movie. It's almost word for word from the book.... Gandalf tells the Fellowship about the origin of Mithril in the "A Journey in the Dark" - "The Dwarves tell no tale; but even as mithril was the foundation of their wealth, so also it was their destruction: they delved too greedily and too deep, and disturbed that from which they fled, Durin's Bane. Of what they brought to light the Orcs have gathered nearly all, and given it in tribute to Sauron, who covets it." Jackson just took the central part and used it as some forshadowing. If you notice when he flips through the book - it's the same picture that is in LOTR the books when the Fellowship reach the gates of Moria. I think Jackson also used Saruman to "narrate" many other parts of the movie. Such as when the birds report back from Moria and he says "So you are going....." Jackson needed some way to explain the movements of the Fellowship between all the action scenes. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 02-08-2002 at 02:28 AM.

02-09-2002, 06:03 PM	#5
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	LOL, yeah that's what I figured. Maybe he's just deeply insecure and needs that feeling of superiority over Gandalf. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-09-2002, 09:44 PM	#6
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	Hhhmmm . . . methinks Saruman's craked and gone nuts. No, actually, I think that it was just a way to explain to viewers some stuff about the Balrog. __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

02-09-2002, 09:55 PM	#7
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	Unless he thought he was psychic and was trying to do ESP to mock Gandalf to his "face..." __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

02-08-2002, 08:35 AM	#3
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	And I wouldn't wonder, if Gandalf could had heard him as well... At least he heard his words, when he was chanting on top of Orthanc.

02-09-2002, 05:51 PM	#4
Alandiel Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12	I think he was just nuts

02-09-2002, 09:58 PM	#8
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	I think it is to kind of give a sense of why Gandalf doesn't want to go to Moria...I hadn't read the books when I first saw the movies and I found it helpful. Otherwise I would have been totally confused about the Balrog. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

02-10-2002, 03:26 AM	#9
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Well, I realize that PJ needed a narrator & everything, but that doesn't change the fact that Saruman keeps talking to himself! I kept wanting to yell during the movie, "Gandalf is hundreds of miles away, you dolt!" __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-10-2002, 07:06 PM	#10
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	very good Explanation JerseyDevil if only i were here earlier, i could of provided that

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