Isn't Eöl supposed to despise Aredhel?

Peter_20 · 03-09-2007, 07:45 AM

Eöl obviously had a strong dislike for all Elves of Noldorin race, and so I find it rather weird how he desired Aredhel so much.
I mean, she even named their son in the Quenya tongue, and still he didn't seem to get it.

Oh, and as a side note, it's stated early in the book that Aredhel never gave her heart's love to anyone, but she did have hot sex with Eöl and lived with him for several years, didn't she?

jammi567 · 03-09-2007, 12:37 PM

A couple of points:

1) She didn't tell him that she was Nolorin
2) The was was the secret name, and her son (forgotten name) was told to keep it quiet
3) She was forced to against her will

The last sane person · 03-09-2007, 04:55 PM

Whoa, elf on elf rape? Hmm, strange. Generally in all the stories the elf women fade or die if that happens. For honor's sake or what not. Son's name was Maeglin?

jammi567 · 03-09-2007, 05:42 PM

That's it. I knew it either began with an F or an M.

Lady Marion Magdalena · 03-10-2007, 12:53 AM

The son's name was Maeglin, his quenya name (which Aredhel did indeed give him in secret) was Lomion. Eol, I believe was aware of her being a noldo, but didn't hate them enough to not desire one of them. Whether or not she was willing is left ambiguous. It is implied that Eol seduced her so that while she may have been willing during the sex, she probably regretted it immediately afterwards but couldn't leave.

Elemmírë · 03-10-2007, 06:59 PM

I think that his hatred of the Noldor was one of the reasons he did take Aredhel as his wife, rather than something that would have prevented him from doing so. I think it's rather clear from the way he treated her that she was more of a possession for him than anything else; for Eöl, seducing Aredhel probably represented a conquest for him over her family.

The last sane person · 03-10-2007, 09:17 PM

Sheesh. Middle Earth date rape... Poor chick got it in the end.

Landroval · 03-12-2007, 05:26 AM

Rape is contrary to Elf nature

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quendi and Eldar

They are not easily deceived by their own kind; and their spirits being masters of their bodies, they are seldom swayed by the desires of the body only, but are by nature continent and steadfast.

The text states that :"it is not said that Aredhel was wholly unwilling, nor that her life in Nan Elmoth was hateful to her for many years" - I would say this is even more true when it came to intimate relations. There is a quote in HoME X, IIRC, where it states that an elf would leave his body when aggressed like this.

03-09-2007, 07:45 AM	#1
Peter_20 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 104	Isn't Eöl supposed to despise Aredhel? Eöl obviously had a strong dislike for all Elves of Noldorin race, and so I find it rather weird how he desired Aredhel so much. I mean, she even named their son in the Quenya tongue, and still he didn't seem to get it. Oh, and as a side note, it's stated early in the book that Aredhel never gave her heart's love to anyone, but she did have hot sex with Eöl and lived with him for several years, didn't she?

03-09-2007, 12:37 PM	#2
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	A couple of points: 1) She didn't tell him that she was Nolorin 2) The was was the secret name, and her son (forgotten name) was told to keep it quiet 3) She was forced to against her will __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

03-09-2007, 04:55 PM	#3
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	Whoa, elf on elf rape? Hmm, strange. Generally in all the stories the elf women fade or die if that happens. For honor's sake or what not. Son's name was Maeglin? __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

03-09-2007, 05:42 PM	#4
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	That's it. I knew it either began with an F or an M. __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

03-10-2007, 12:53 AM	#5
Lady Marion Magdalena Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a Field of Giant Daisies. Posts: 821	The son's name was Maeglin, his quenya name (which Aredhel did indeed give him in secret) was Lomion. Eol, I believe was aware of her being a noldo, but didn't hate them enough to not desire one of them. Whether or not she was willing is left ambiguous. It is implied that Eol seduced her so that while she may have been willing during the sex, she probably regretted it immediately afterwards but couldn't leave. __________________ "Because it is my name! Because I cannot have another in my life! Because I lie and sign myself to lies! Because I am not worth the dust on the feet them that hang! How may I live without my name? I have given you my soul; Leave me my name!" - The Crucible "nolite hippopotamum vexare!"

03-10-2007, 06:59 PM	#6
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	I think that his hatred of the Noldor was one of the reasons he did take Aredhel as his wife, rather than something that would have prevented him from doing so. I think it's rather clear from the way he treated her that she was more of a possession for him than anything else; for Eöl, seducing Aredhel probably represented a conquest for him over her family. __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

03-10-2007, 09:17 PM	#7
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	Sheesh. Middle Earth date rape... Poor chick got it in the end. __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

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