Stem Cell Research: California

[Valandil]

Say - Rian or some other Californian(s): What's up with this $3 bill funding for stem cell research?? I thought your state already had major financial difficulties...

[Rían]

No kidding! And since it didn't specify "adult" or "embryonic", you can be sure it's embryonic. But it's not PC to go against it, regardless of the fact that ADULT stem cell research is by FAR the most promising one and should have more money devoted to it.

[Nurvingiel]

California has financial problems? But you're economy is huge! Huge I tell you. I guess you could have a lot of expenses too.

What's the difference between the two? I know almost nothing on the subject. I'm sure lurking in this thread for a while will enlighten me though.

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

California has financial problems? But you're economy is huge! Huge I tell you. I guess you could have a lot of expenses too.

Actually the reason why California is so heavily in debt and basically bankrupt is because their legislature doesn't make any decision - they leave it all up to the citizens. They send one spending referendum after another to the people to vote on and then the majority of people just go "well that sounds good" without ever thinking about the cost and where the money will come from. Calfornia - right before Arnold was voted in - was in a financial crisis. When will California get it's act together?

On the thing about stem cell - NJ is currently developing a stem cell research lab here - but NJ is better able to afford it than California.

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Actually the reason why California is so heavily in debt and basically bankrupt is because their legislature doesn't make any decision - they leave it all up to the citizens. They send one spending referendum after another to the people to vote on and then the majority of people just go "well that sounds good" without ever thinking about the cost and where the money will come from.

So the people make the decisions, eh? Oh gee (sarcasm alert on high), perhaps thats the point of a democracy, to let the people decide. Just like the Moot decided that Jonathan wasn't gonna be prez.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

On the thing about stem cell - NJ is currently developing a stem cell research lab here - but NJ is better able to afford it than California.

And I thought those wonderfully open minded (chortle) conservatives were against stem cell research anyway. I mean damn, it could only save lives, but oh well.

But Jersey can afford it? Hang on, don't tell me.
Did the, filthy communist out to destroy good decent middle white America, Democrats, win Jersey? Thank the lord for small mercies, I suppose.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by Fenir_LacDanan

So the people make the decisions, eh? Oh gee (sarcasm alert on high), perhaps thats the point of a democracy, to let the people decide. Just like the Moot decided that Jonathan wasn't gonna be prez.

Financial decisions are made large-scale and are hopefully far-seeing. Many financial decisions are unpopular, but they must be done.
If you have the people make these decisions, the results will be fragmented, or maybe for a terrible idea in the long run. Democracy exists so people can elect a group of competent people to form the government, represent the people, and make decisions for their benefit. Democracy doesn't exist so 36 million Calfornians form the government themselves.

And I thought those wonderfully open minded (chortle) conservatives were against stem cell research anyway. I mean damn, it could only save lives, but oh well.

California is quite a liberal state IIRC, I'm not sure what your point with this was. You mean, because Schwartzenegger (sp) is a Republican?

[Earniel]

Fenir, you're not amusing anyone. So quit trying to get JD into a flame war.

No kidding! And since it didn't specify "adult" or "embryonic", you can be sure it's embryonic. But it's not PC to go against it, regardless of the fact that ADULT stem cell research is by FAR the most promising one and should have more money devoted to it.

Why is adult stem cell research so much more promising? I must admit I'm not really familiar with the territory.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Why is adult stem cell research so much more promising? I must admit I'm not really familiar with the territory.

Yes, me neither. What's the difference between the two? Advantages and disadvantes? Write me a comparitive essay! Just kidding on the last part. But I am curious.

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Fenir, you're not amusing anyone. So quit trying to get JD into a flame war.

Gee, thank the good Lord your here, mate, to say what I mean and to assess how funny I am.
I mean, who am I to use my own words, and praise my own sentences?

What arrogance I would have to do so, mate. I'll sleep better knowing that your now my new editor and censor.

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Why is adult stem cell research so much more promising? I must admit I'm not really familiar with the territory.

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...stem_cell.html

That link should sort you out.

And one wonders if one should throw one's hat into the ring if one does not know what the ring is for. Eh?

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Fenir_LacDanan

Gee, thank the good Lord your here, mate, to say what I mean and to assess how funny I am.
I mean, who am I to use my own words, and praise my own sentences?

What arrogance I would have to do so, mate. I'll sleep better knowing that your now my new editor and censor.

You said THAT to Eärniel!?!?!?

*rolls up sleeves and removes glasses*

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Fenir_LacDanan

Gee, thank the good Lord your here, mate, to say what I mean and to assess how funny I am.

Well, I for one thank the good Lord Earniel and the other mods are here. They make Entmoot a wonderful place, and they do it without pay, just because they love Tolkien and the Mooters. I'm glad they comment on posts like yours and keep things courteous. Any idiot can be a jerk - it's no accomplishment. It IS an accomplishment to give one's time and effort to keep a board kind and interesting and fun, like Earniel and the other mods do.

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Fenir_LacDanan

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...stem_cell.html

That link should sort you out.

And one wonders if one should throw one's hat into the ring if one does not know what the ring is for. Eh?

I think threads are great places to ask questions and find things out

That was a great link - thank you for providing it

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

... Any idiot can be a jerk - it's no accomplishment...

OK... sorry... I'll try to stop...

[Rían]

Well, I didn't have you in mind with that comment, but we all act like jerks on occasion. I appreciate it when you and the other mods, like Earniel, rein us in and keep the board civil.

[Nurvingiel]

Lol Val and RÃ*an!

Thanks for the link Fenir. Very interesting. It looks like we have a lot of work to do in this area.

Why don't we just use adult stem cells all the time? It seems as they are better than the embryonic ones anyway. Why would researchers choose embryonic ones up to this point? (It just seems that way, I could be wrong.)

You could donate stem cells like you donate blood. I would do it. (I want to donate blood but it's not too easy. When I get back to Canada - it will happen.)

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by Fenir_LacDanan

Gee, thank the good Lord your here, mate, to say what I mean and to assess how funny I am.
I mean, who am I to use my own words, and praise my own sentences?

What arrogance I would have to do so, mate. I'll sleep better knowing that your now my new editor and censor.

I am everybody's editor and censor if they can't decide for themselves what is appropriate on the Entmoot or what is not. That's the point in me being a moderator. And sarcasm does not excuse bad manners.

The rest still stands, we'd appreciate it if you'd stop the flame baiting in the future.

Thank you for the link, by the way.

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Why don't we just use adult stem cells all the time? It seems as they are better than the embryonic ones anyway. Why would researchers choose embryonic ones up to this point? (It just seems that way, I could be wrong.)

You could donate stem cells like you donate blood. I would do it. (I want to donate blood but it's not too easy. When I get back to Canada - it will happen.)

I doubt donating stem cells is as easy as donating blood. I get the impression we don't have that many of them and that extracting them is no exactly a walk in the park. Which would probably answer for the question why most researchers work with embryonic cells, they are easier to come by.

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks Eärniel, it seems rather obvious now. I got the impression that we had a lot of stem cells and they were in our tissues, so you could take a small tissue sample. It must be more complex than that though.

[BeardofPants]

Yes, and IIRC, embryonic cells are more easily manipulated, aren't they? That is to say, they can be adapted more easily to other functions than adult stem-cells.

[Nurvingiel]

I thought it was the other way around - adult cells were more responsive. I could be wrong. (I clicked your link... couldn't resist... ) But if they're too hard to come by... it would be a hard decision for a researcher to make, I think.