Entwives?

Arwen't we there yet? · 01-12-2002, 07:52 PM

I saw the posting about dwarf-women.
It made me wonder if the Ents ever found their Entwives,...

Aragorn · 01-12-2002, 09:50 PM

Yeah, I wish that Tolkien told more about the Entwives. I was expecting the Ents to find them throughout the series since I first heard of them in TTT and I was sad when they never did.

Oh well, Tolkien couldn't have been COMPLETELY perfect.

sbpollo1 · 01-13-2002, 11:05 AM

Unfortunately, I think as the Age changed and the Elves left, the chance decreased. I think this is one of the sadder themes of all.

bropous · 01-13-2002, 01:47 PM

No, it doesn't look like the Ents ever found the Entwives. That is a really sad portion of the tales. I seem to recall that the Entwives may have wandered far, far, far to the East of the Middle-Earth included in the tales. Who knows, maybe the Ents who had not ended up being "treeish" ventured East and "passed out of song".

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UnStashable · 01-13-2002, 03:30 PM

I rember in a previos post in this forum someone suggesting that the Olog-hai were the entwives, corrupted and ruined by Sauron. I think they pointed out that the Olog-Hai appeard pretty much right after the entwives lands were desolated and dissapeared. I'd like to give credit to some1 but i can't rember who said it.

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FrodoFriend · 01-13-2002, 03:58 PM

No, I don't think the Ents and Entwives ever found each other. I'd rather not believe that the Entwives were corrupted by Sauron though . . . doesn't seem right at all. Sauron destroys things, Entwives raise things and help them grow. It's incompatible. But who knows? It's the curse of Tolkien, all the most beautiful and magical things fade away. Ents, Elves, Hobbits, and Dwarves all leave or hide, leaving us poor men (and women) all alone.

bropous · 01-13-2002, 04:01 PM

Actually, it was Morgoth who corrupted and tortured the Elves to breed the Orcs, and the same was done to Ents to create the Trolls. He didn't need to do this to Men, since so many were already willing and able to serve his purposes....the Dwarves were incorruptible.

Arathorn · 01-14-2002, 01:59 AM

i wonder how they reproduced, even though there were male and female ents.

Do they have bees to help them out or do the ents wait for a windy day or something or is it how we fauna folk do it?

Any ideas?

Ñólendil · 01-14-2002, 03:12 AM

"the Dwarves were incorruptible."

Probably for the most part, but there is one reference to wicked Dwarves allied with Goblins in The Hobbit. Tolkien said in an essay called Dwarves and Men that many of the Dwarven tribe living in the farthest East (the Blacklocks and Stonefoots) fell under the Shadow. Maybe these are the wicked Dwarves referred to in The Hobbit.

bropous · 01-14-2002, 11:03 AM

Actually, I should have been more clear: The Dwarves were not tortured and made into some subspecies. Of course some Dwarves were courruptible, AND corrupted; poor wording on my part.

Lightice · 01-14-2002, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Inoldonil
"the Dwarves were incorruptible."

Probably for the most part, but there is one reference to wicked Dwarves allied with Goblins in The Hobbit. Tolkien said in an essay called Dwarves and Men that many of the Dwarven tribe living in the farthest East (the Blacklocks and Stonefoots) fell under the Shadow. Maybe these are the wicked Dwarves referred to in The Hobbit.

That was a belief of humans, becouse they always wanted to have stuff dwarf made. That's propagand of men, as stated in appendix of LotR. No dwarfs have been under complete power of evil. They were uncorruptible. Only thing Rings of Might did to them, was lust of gold. Ofcourse they could do bad things, but they did them of their own whim. I very much doubt, that dwarves would had actually been allied to goblins in any place, though I do remember that part of Hobbit.

01-12-2002, 07:52 PM	#1
Arwen't we there yet? Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Yawk Posts: 8	Entwives? I saw the posting about dwarf-women. It made me wonder if the Ents ever found their Entwives,...

01-12-2002, 09:50 PM	#2
Aragorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere but where I should be. Posts: 369	Yeah, I wish that Tolkien told more about the Entwives. I was expecting the Ents to find them throughout the series since I first heard of them in TTT and I was sad when they never did. Oh well, Tolkien couldn't have been COMPLETELY perfect. __________________ And they carried them to the flatlands But they died along the way And they built up with their bare hands What we still can't do today. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO till the day I die.

01-13-2002, 01:47 PM	#4
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	No, it doesn't look like the Ents ever found the Entwives. That is a really sad portion of the tales. I seem to recall that the Entwives may have wandered far, far, far to the East of the Middle-Earth included in the tales. Who knows, maybe the Ents who had not ended up being "treeish" ventured East and "passed out of song". By the way, Arwen't and sbpollo1, welcome to the Moot! Happy posting! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-13-2002, 03:30 PM	#5
UnStashable Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 52	I rember in a previos post in this forum someone suggesting that the Olog-hai were the entwives, corrupted and ruined by Sauron. I think they pointed out that the Olog-Hai appeard pretty much right after the entwives lands were desolated and dissapeared. I'd like to give credit to some1 but i can't rember who said it. __________________________________________________ _ (personal Question) is there anyway for me to change my signature, thank you. __________________ This elevator only goes to the basement, and sombody made an awful mess down there

01-13-2002, 03:58 PM	#6
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	No, I don't think the Ents and Entwives ever found each other. I'd rather not believe that the Entwives were corrupted by Sauron though . . . doesn't seem right at all. Sauron destroys things, Entwives raise things and help them grow. It's incompatible. But who knows? It's the curse of Tolkien, all the most beautiful and magical things fade away. Ents, Elves, Hobbits, and Dwarves all leave or hide, leaving us poor men (and women) all alone. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-13-2002, 11:05 AM	#3
sbpollo1 Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 10	Unfortunately, I think as the Age changed and the Elves left, the chance decreased. I think this is one of the sadder themes of all.

01-13-2002, 04:01 PM	#7
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Actually, it was Morgoth who corrupted and tortured the Elves to breed the Orcs, and the same was done to Ents to create the Trolls. He didn't need to do this to Men, since so many were already willing and able to serve his purposes....the Dwarves were incorruptible. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-14-2002, 01:59 AM	#8
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	i wonder how they reproduced, even though there were male and female ents. Do they have bees to help them out or do the ents wait for a windy day or something or is it how we fauna folk do it? Any ideas? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

01-14-2002, 03:12 AM	#9
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	"the Dwarves were incorruptible." Probably for the most part, but there is one reference to wicked Dwarves allied with Goblins in The Hobbit. Tolkien said in an essay called Dwarves and Men that many of the Dwarven tribe living in the farthest East (the Blacklocks and Stonefoots) fell under the Shadow. Maybe these are the wicked Dwarves referred to in The Hobbit. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-14-2002, 11:03 AM	#10
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Actually, I should have been more clear: The Dwarves were not tortured and made into some subspecies. Of course some Dwarves were courruptible, AND corrupted; poor wording on my part. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

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