Vegetarion Races in the Sil? - Page 2

Wayfarer · 01-30-2003, 07:09 PM

Ent draught was not made of plants or animals. It was made from the waters of the entwash, distilled in a certain way. It was likely very high in minerals.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
Ent draught was not made of plants or animals. It was made from the waters of the entwash, distilled in a certain way. It was likely very high in minerals.

Sounds disgusting.

Coney · 01-30-2003, 07:25 PM

Probably a killer hangover cure tho'

Arien the Maia · 01-30-2003, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Kirinki54
What about Ents? Apparently they only drank "Ent draught" and since it is not described as broth or soup, it was probably made from plants.

Okay, I guess the Ents would be considered Vegetarians from a certain point of view...but they are kelvar and what they ate was kelvar as well so it might be considered something different

Kirinki54 · 01-31-2003, 05:28 PM

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Always good to see you here Kirinki.

Interesting. Yes, Ent draught must be like V8 juice huh?

Hi SGH! I see you are busy at this place...

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-31-2003, 05:31 PM

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Hi SGH! I see you are busy at this place...

Very.

Ruinel · 02-22-2003, 05:27 PM

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Sween, that's gross, but in UT, Tuor considered that until Voronwe threatened to leave him. I always found that amuzing.

In that story, "Of Tuor And His Coming To Gondolin", I interpreted Vornwe's threat to leave Tuor due to Tuor's revealing themselves to the Orcs.

"'Nay!' said Voronwe. 'On this quest only the cloak (that keeps them shrowded in mist and unseen) will serve. You must forgo the fire, or else forgo Turgon. this band is not alone in the wild: cannot your mortal sight see the far flame of other posts to the north and to the south? A tumult will bring a host upon us. Harken to me, Tuor! It is against the law of the Hidden Kingdom that any should approach the gates with foes at their heels; and that law I will not break, neither for Ulmo's bidding, nor for death. Rouse the Orcs, and I leave you.'" UT

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-22-2003, 09:20 PM

Yeah, but he wanted to eat them.

Ruinel · 02-23-2003, 02:30 AM

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Yeah, but he wanted to eat them.

That is true. But Voronwe wasn't going to leave him because of Tuor wanting to eat the Orcs (which I also find disgusting, hunger or no hunger), Voronwe was going to leave Tuor because he wanted to go home but wouldn't be able to approach Gondolin if they were being chased by Orcs. Its their law not to come home with an enemy at their heels. Which makes sense. If you've got a secret city with a secret entrance, you sure don't want the enemy to find it. And surely, they would have found the entrance if they were pursuing Voronwe and Tuor to Gondolin. No matter how many gates you have put up.

But I would have to assume that Elves do not eat Orcs. And having been a vegetarian myself for 4.5 yrs (but no longer, and currently only eating meat on average, once a week) that I would think that some Elves were probably vegetarians also. But not all as a rule. I could definitely see the Noldor taking down a deer or two. Or perhaps, Elves preferred a vegetarian lifestyle, but ate meat on occasion as necessity.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-23-2003, 10:52 AM

Yeah, I think I said earlier that I easily imagine the Noldor being meat eaters.

Ruinel · 02-23-2003, 11:20 AM

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Yeah, I think I said earlier that I easily imagine the Noldor being meat eaters.

Yes, you did. I'm in total agreement with you on that.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-23-2003, 11:24 AM

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Yes, you did. I'm in total agreement with you on that.

Remember when Finrod met Men? Right before that it says that he went hunting with Maglor and Meadhros, but wearied of the chase. What do you suppose they were hunting?

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-23-2003, 12:19 PM

Orcs, perhaps? Though that was in the middle of the Siege of Angband, so that is doubtful. It seems Eastern Beleriand was quite a good hunting ground for animals, as the land of Amras, son of Feanor, just below Estolad was quite a popular hunting ground, especially with Finrod. The man sure liked his hunting.

Or maybe he just liked the sons of Feanor, after all he was the wisest of the Noldor in M-E...

Ruinel · 02-23-2003, 02:14 PM

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Orcs, perhaps? Though that was in the middle of the Siege of Angband, so that is doubtful. It seems Eastern Beleriand was quite a good hunting ground for animals, as the land of Amras, son of Feanor, just below Estolad was quite a popular hunting ground, especially with Finrod. The man sure liked his hunting.

Or maybe he just liked the sons of Feanor, after all he was the wisest of the Noldor in M-E...

There are many references to hunting in the Sil by Elves, mainly the Elves you and Sister Golden Hair mentioned. The referrences seem to be more of a "male-bonding" kind of referrence where they're hunting animals.
In places in the book where Orcs are mentioned there seems to be a set up to the scene, where your mind conjures up dark images and dread. I don't get that feeling when I read the passages about the guys off hunting.

01-30-2003, 07:09 PM	#21
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Ent draught was not made of plants or animals. It was made from the waters of the entwash, distilled in a certain way. It was likely very high in minerals. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-30-2003, 07:25 PM	#23
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Probably a killer hangover cure tho' __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

02-22-2003, 09:20 PM	#28
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Yeah, but he wanted to eat them. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

02-23-2003, 10:52 AM	#30
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Yeah, I think I said earlier that I easily imagine the Noldor being meat eaters. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

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Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	Orcs, perhaps? Though that was in the middle of the Siege of Angband, so that is doubtful. It seems Eastern Beleriand was quite a good hunting ground for animals, as the land of Amras, son of Feanor, just below Estolad was quite a popular hunting ground, especially with Finrod. The man sure liked his hunting. Or maybe he just liked the sons of Feanor, after all he was the wisest of the Noldor in M-E...