Vegetarion Races in the Sil?

Arien the Maia · 01-29-2003, 04:56 PM

I have always wondered if any races where vegetarions in Middle Earth? This includes the Ainur. This is some more of my speculation! Any opinions out there? Personally I get the impression that the Green Elves of Ossiriand were vegetarions because they didn't like it when the first men where coming in to Beleriand and killing beasts and birds....they said that they were their "unfriends" as a matter of fact!

Coney · 01-29-2003, 05:17 PM

Although not appearing in the Sil, Bombadil and Goldberry were the nearest to vegetarians I can remember

Can't really say for the elves and wotnot *shrugs*

Falagar · 01-29-2003, 06:08 PM

And Beor was said not to eat animals, and I think also the Elves were vegetarians (can't imagine them hunting innocent deers for food

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***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-29-2003, 06:29 PM

I have no problem imagining the Noldor as being meat eaters, but that is correct that the Green Elves seem not to be and were as Arien, the thread starter indicates were upset with the coming of Men who were.

Not so sure that I would say Beor was a vegetarian. He was the leader of those Men.

It also says at the beginning of that chapter, that Finrod went hunting with Maglor and Maedhros. What were they hunting? Orcs? I always thought it might be wild boar or something like that.

Coney · 01-29-2003, 06:42 PM

Hmm, Beorn (the Hobbit) "neither hunts or eats wild animals" nor did he eat the horses and cattle he kept.

In fact he seemed to live mainly on cream and honey.....as should every good bear

So I suppose he comes into the vegetarian category.....and I certainly can't see his people going against his principles!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-29-2003, 06:50 PM

Coney, Beor, and Beorn are two entirely different beings. Beor was the leader of the first house of the Edain to come into Beleriand, in the Silmarillion.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-29-2003, 06:52 PM

Ah, another guy that ate red meat and gave it up, was Beren.

Coney · 01-29-2003, 06:54 PM

I know that is why I said "Beorn (the Hobbit)" I don't know if Beornings are mentioned in the Sil...but it could be a start to look for them*shrugs*

Arien the Maia · 01-30-2003, 01:39 AM

Okay, here's anther question.....what about Orome? he was after all ....the Hunter....any thoughts on that?
I agree with SGH about the Noldor...they seem like they would eat meat.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
Okay, here's anther question.....what about Orome? he was after all ....the Hunter....any thoughts on that?
I agree with SGH about the Noldor...they seem like they would eat meat.

Well, Orome was a Vala, and I don't think they even had a need to eat but in physical form. There were times before the Exile that the Valar organized great feasts and gathered the Elves to them. I would think that Orome was a hunter of fell beasts in ridding Middle-earth of them.

Sween · 01-30-2003, 11:36 AM

Beren would not any animal that was good he may of been partial to eating the occasional orc

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Sween
Beren would not any animal that was good he may of been partial to eating the occasional orc

Sween, that's gross, but in UT, Tuor considered that until Voronwe threatened to leave him. I always found that amuzing.

Sween · 01-30-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Sween, that's gross, but in UT, Tuor considered that until Voronwe threatened to leave him. I always found that amuzing.

well i was re reading the sil today and it does say that Beren would not eat any friendly bird or beast. Were there any evil cows in the service or morgoth? An evil sheep perhaps? a nice bit of dragon if there was one recentally slain

oh what a treat that would be lol

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 11:50 AM

LOL! Eating Orc would be like eating rat. Well, if you got as hungry as Tuor was, you might eat anything. Yuck!

Arien the Maia · 01-30-2003, 03:08 PM

Bur Orome was considered the Hunter before the fell beasts were even devised by Melkor, wasn't he?

But the more I think about it, the more I have to say that I don't think the Valar (other than Melkor) would have killed anything...that Eru created....And as it says in the Sil....the Children of Iluvatar will have dominion over all things in Arda...

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
Bur Orome was considered the Hunter before the fell beasts were even devised by Melkor, wasn't he? But the more I think about it, the more I have to say that I don't think the Valar (other than Melkor) would have killed anything...that Eru created....And as it says in the Sil....the Children of Iluvatar will have dominion over all things in Arda...

Not sure about this. IMHO, Morgoth was rotten from the beginning when he caused discord in the Music. He immediately began to defile Middle-earth, and undo the works of the other Valar. So, there were evil creatures afoot before the awakening of the Elves, including evil Maiar.

Falagar · 01-30-2003, 04:34 PM

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Not so sure that I would say Beor was a vegetarian. He was the leader of those Men.

I meant Beorn, of course (gets confusing with all these names beginning with 'B'

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***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
I meant Beorn, of course (gets confusing with all these names beginning with 'B' )

Yeah, like all the "F" names and the "fins" and "rods"

Kirinki54 · 01-30-2003, 06:07 PM

What about Ents? Apparently they only drank "Ent draught" and since it is not described as broth or soup, it was probably made from plants.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-30-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Kirinki54
What about Ents? Apparently they only drank "Ent draught" and since it is not described as broth or soup, it was probably made from plants.

Always good to see you here Kirinki.

Interesting. Yes, Ent draught must be like V8 juice huh?

01-29-2003, 04:56 PM	#1
Arien the Maia Fëanáro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	Vegetarion Races in the Sil? I have always wondered if any races where vegetarions in Middle Earth? This includes the Ainur. This is some more of my speculation! Any opinions out there? Personally I get the impression that the Green Elves of Ossiriand were vegetarions because they didn't like it when the first men where coming in to Beleriand and killing beasts and birds....they said that they were their "unfriends" as a matter of fact!

01-29-2003, 05:17 PM	#2
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Although not appearing in the Sil, Bombadil and Goldberry were the nearest to vegetarians I can remember Can't really say for the elves and wotnot shrugs __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

01-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#3
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	And Beor was said not to eat animals, and I think also the Elves were vegetarians (can't imagine them hunting innocent deers for food ) __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-29-2003, 06:29 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	I have no problem imagining the Noldor as being meat eaters, but that is correct that the Green Elves seem not to be and were as Arien, the thread starter indicates were upset with the coming of Men who were. Not so sure that I would say Beor was a vegetarian. He was the leader of those Men. It also says at the beginning of that chapter, that Finrod went hunting with Maglor and Maedhros. What were they hunting? Orcs? I always thought it might be wild boar or something like that. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-29-2003, 06:42 PM	#5
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Hmm, Beorn (the Hobbit) "neither hunts or eats wild animals" nor did he eat the horses and cattle he kept. In fact he seemed to live mainly on cream and honey.....as should every good bear So I suppose he comes into the vegetarian category.....and I certainly can't see his people going against his principles! __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

01-29-2003, 06:50 PM	#6
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Coney, Beor, and Beorn are two entirely different beings. Beor was the leader of the first house of the Edain to come into Beleriand, in the Silmarillion. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-29-2003, 06:52 PM	#7
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Ah, another guy that ate red meat and gave it up, was Beren. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-29-2003, 06:54 PM	#8
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	I know that is why I said "Beorn (the Hobbit)" I don't know if Beornings are mentioned in the Sil...but it could be a start to look for themshrugs __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

01-30-2003, 01:39 AM	#9
Arien the Maia Fëanáro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	Okay, here's anther question.....what about Orome? he was after all ....the Hunter....any thoughts on that? I agree with SGH about the Noldor...they seem like they would eat meat.

01-30-2003, 11:36 AM	#11
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Beren would not any animal that was good he may of been partial to eating the occasional orc __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

01-30-2003, 11:50 AM	#14
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	LOL! Eating Orc would be like eating rat. Well, if you got as hungry as Tuor was, you might eat anything. Yuck! __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-30-2003, 03:08 PM	#15
Arien the Maia Fëanáro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	Bur Orome was considered the Hunter before the fell beasts were even devised by Melkor, wasn't he? But the more I think about it, the more I have to say that I don't think the Valar (other than Melkor) would have killed anything...that Eru created....And as it says in the Sil....the Children of Iluvatar will have dominion over all things in Arda...

01-30-2003, 06:07 PM	#19
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	What about Ents? Apparently they only drank "Ent draught" and since it is not described as broth or soup, it was probably made from plants. __________________ 'They need more gardens,' said Legolas. 'The houses are dead, and there is too little here that grows and is glad. If Aragorn comes into his own, the people of the Wood shall bring him birds that sing and trees that do not die.'

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