George Orwell - Page 2

BeardofPants · 06-20-2002, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Jadera
Interesting fact though, that while Orwell criticized Communism, he himself was a Socialist.

Well, they are different!

Jadera · 06-20-2002, 01:08 AM

Oh, yes, I know.

I never meant to infer that they were the same 'ism' if you will, but I thought it was slightly ironic since they are similiar in foundation and process.
Agreed, not the same.

sun-star · 06-20-2002, 01:26 PM

I believe he saw Communism as a betrayal of Socialist ideas, or at least the way it was applied to ruling countries.

***IronParrot*** · 06-22-2002, 10:05 PM

Yeah... I think Orwell was a democratic socialist, opposed to Stalinism, not the actual Communist ideal. A true socialist society would not have the dramatic class differences and separation that are found in Orwell's Ingsoc.

Shadowfax · 07-11-2002, 05:59 PM

I had to read Animal Farm for English a couple of months ago, and I think that although it was well-written, I would never have finished it if I didn't have to for school! Eek! And now, I have to read 1984 this summer for my English Honours class next year. I'm still in the first section of 1984, I'm not enjoying it at all. Actually, one of the first things that came into my mind when I started reading it was that it is kinda like a 'continuation' of Animal Farm, but with people. Know what I mean? It's kinda like Animal Farm was Part I, in which the world began to be corrupted, and 1984 is Part II, where it is fully corrupted. Does that make sense???

***IronParrot*** · 07-12-2002, 01:57 AM

Good observation!

eowyn144 · 07-12-2002, 05:23 PM

so if i've read animal farm and wanted to progress onto something else you would recommend 1984?

***IronParrot*** · 07-12-2002, 06:40 PM

Yes, but of course, I'd say that you should read 1984 in any case.

Shadowfax · 07-12-2002, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by IronParrot
Good observation!

Thanks! I was hoping that made sense!

eowyn144 · 07-13-2002, 12:03 PM

i'll give it a go then. i'll let you know how i get on.

Menelvagor · 07-19-2002, 11:27 PM

I read Animal Farm when I was about ten. Emotionally scaring. I just read 1984 for english next year (in the process of writing a report on it, in fact- well, that is to say, procrastinating furiously

). It's rather disturbing, I was reading it in the car as we were going to Wal-Mart one day, and then, when we got there, I stepped out of the car and there's this big sign 'security cameras in use' and all the cameras on the roof; frightening really, Big Brother is watching!

The Big Brother Awards - for companies that invade individual privacy.

Erawyn · 07-24-2002, 11:44 PM

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read Animal Farm when I was about ten. Emotionally scaring

I can imagine! my father read it to me when i was i think younger than that. I obviously couldn't really understand it ( i don't know what he was thinking, trying to make me a socialist at a young age i suppose) but i found it terrifying. 1984 is on my to read list but i havn't got around to it yet.

eowyn144 · 07-29-2002, 10:11 AM

well i've got it! my dad bought me 1984 so i've started reading it. i'm only a few chapters in but am already finding it rather disturbing.i take it it gets worse right?

***azalea*** · 07-29-2002, 01:24 PM

Yes, very.

eowyn144 · 08-03-2002, 12:36 PM

i see what you mean.
i don't think i've ever read a book which required me to think that much.i had to reread several parts of it, trying to let it sink in. i think i'll read it again when i'm older though.as a younger reader i think some of it when right over my head.

Shadowfax · 08-22-2002, 03:04 PM

Can anyone help me with the theme of 1984?

osszie · 08-31-2002, 08:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blackheart

1984 could hardly have ended any other way. They couldn't terminate him until he was a loyal member of the party again. To do otherwise only creates martyrs.

Yes his whole point was "if you are no use to the state, you are no use at all" which is the essence of 1984.

Orwell was not a social democrat...........social democracy is wot the Nazi's called themselves. I think orwell was more of a social realist, find your place.......or be found

webwizard333 · 09-01-2002, 01:03 PM

"Four legs good, two legs better."

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Can anyone help me with the theme of 1984?

There are lots of themes in 1984, though most are concerned with privacy and the ruling class. Such as: the rights of people to not have the government run their lives or the eternal power stuggle for control of the people through various systems of government.

06-20-2002, 01:08 AM	#22
Jadera Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 205	Oh, yes, I know. I never meant to infer that they were the same 'ism' if you will, but I thought it was slightly ironic since they are similiar in foundation and process. Agreed, not the same. __________________ Whaaaaaaaaaat?? ~Chivalry isn't dead, it just transferred to women~

06-20-2002, 01:26 PM	#23
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I believe he saw Communism as a betrayal of Socialist ideas, or at least the way it was applied to ruling countries. __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

06-22-2002, 10:05 PM	#24
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Yeah... I think Orwell was a democratic socialist, opposed to Stalinism, not the actual Communist ideal. A true socialist society would not have the dramatic class differences and separation that are found in Orwell's Ingsoc. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-11-2002, 05:59 PM	#25
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	I had to read Animal Farm for English a couple of months ago, and I think that although it was well-written, I would never have finished it if I didn't have to for school! Eek! And now, I have to read 1984 this summer for my English Honours class next year. I'm still in the first section of 1984, I'm not enjoying it at all. Actually, one of the first things that came into my mind when I started reading it was that it is kinda like a 'continuation' of Animal Farm, but with people. Know what I mean? It's kinda like Animal Farm was Part I, in which the world began to be corrupted, and 1984 is Part II, where it is fully corrupted. Does that make sense??? __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

07-12-2002, 01:57 AM	#26
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Good observation! __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-12-2002, 05:23 PM	#27
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	so if i've read animal farm and wanted to progress onto something else you would recommend 1984? __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

07-12-2002, 06:40 PM	#28
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	Yes, but of course, I'd say that you should read 1984 in any case. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-13-2002, 12:03 PM	#30
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	i'll give it a go then. i'll let you know how i get on. __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

07-19-2002, 11:27 PM	#31
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	I read Animal Farm when I was about ten. Emotionally scaring. I just read 1984 for english next year (in the process of writing a report on it, in fact- well, that is to say, procrastinating furiously ). It's rather disturbing, I was reading it in the car as we were going to Wal-Mart one day, and then, when we got there, I stepped out of the car and there's this big sign 'security cameras in use' and all the cameras on the roof; frightening really, Big Brother is watching! The Big Brother Awards - for companies that invade individual privacy.

07-29-2002, 10:11 AM	#33
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	well i've got it! my dad bought me 1984 so i've started reading it. i'm only a few chapters in but am already finding it rather disturbing.i take it it gets worse right? __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

07-29-2002, 01:24 PM	#34
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Yes, very.

08-03-2002, 12:36 PM	#35
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	i see what you mean. i don't think i've ever read a book which required me to think that much.i had to reread several parts of it, trying to let it sink in. i think i'll read it again when i'm older though.as a younger reader i think some of it when right over my head. __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

08-22-2002, 03:04 PM	#36
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	Can anyone help me with the theme of 1984? __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

08-31-2002, 08:58 PM	#37
osszie Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 409	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blackheart 1984 could hardly have ended any other way. They couldn't terminate him until he was a loyal member of the party again. To do otherwise only creates martyrs. Yes his whole point was "if you are no use to the state, you are no use at all" which is the essence of 1984. Orwell was not a social democrat...........social democracy is wot the Nazi's called themselves. I think orwell was more of a social realist, find your place.......or be found

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