Boo hoo Arwen

straight_face · 01-17-2003, 08:47 PM

I was greatly irritated when I realized Arwen had a part in the Two Towers. In the Fellowship of the Ring, I would have enjoyed seeing Glorfindel, an interesting character portrayed in the book. Hollywood seems to have a defect in which they attempt putting more women in movies, you know, the tough-looking but not-so women. Arwen is one of these, and whenever I attempt arguing this subject to others they reply with the fact that the movie supposedly needed more women. They are not correct, I believe. Then they anger returned when Arwen had the most boring part in the Two Towers. I am angered that they turned the movie into a love story and I am sure Tolkien would not be so pleased with that. I know there was the occasional appearences that Arwen made, for example in Rivendell, but they have stretched it too far. I have read the Two Towers a third time and Arwen has no part, or for that matter, a name mentioning throughout the entire thing. Her parts in the Two Towers were not needed and were not necessary at all. They happened to be the only boring part in the movie.

I am worried about the Return of the King. Considering she has three paragraphs of things to say to Frodo, she'll probably take up half of the movie.

ugo · 01-17-2003, 11:02 PM

Unfortuanetly its obligatory for almost all films to have some sort of 'complicated' love interest as a status quo. Otherwise film makers and board directors get scared of its audience asking...

"Yeah but where's the love interest?"

and then the sky would fall in.

Like all films for the masses they also have to include an 'unlikely' protagonist, an 'impervious' antagonist, some form of 'comic relief' and an aging 'sage' like figure who explains whats going on.

Of course its arguable that the origainal text pioneered most of the stereotypes.

Arwen's terrible. We all know that. But as far as the director was concerned the film needed a continuous romantic theme. And there aren't many alternatives (probably due to the lack of female characters

). It was either Aragorn and Arwen's relationship or Sam and Frodo's.

But that's another thread altogether.

Celebréiel · 01-17-2003, 11:13 PM

Yeah, I used to really hate movie arwen, now she just irks me alot. I think I heard PJ say that is kinda supposed to be all one movie and thought of together. They wanted to have things not get all new and strange all of a sudden in the third movie, like 'hey whered this chick come from?' So I can kinda understand the need for her involvement in Fotr now.(Even though I would have loved to have seen Glorfindel

)

Im still trying to let it sink in for TT. (still trying to let *alot* of things sink in from TT) So yeah, Arwen still sucks tho..
~Celebréiel

obscenename · 01-17-2003, 11:41 PM

I agree that Jackson/Boyens' Arwen sucks. I disagree with the assertion that a love interest is obligatory. There are plenty of serious movies made for the masses that have no romantic subplots. The two female screenwriters have amped up the love story in the mistaken belief that audiences would not warm to a movie that doesn't have two people (or a person and a horse) kissing. The story was written by a man from a man's point of view. I watched the movie froma man's point of view. I believe the movie would have succeeded without the woman's touch.

The point is that the Lord of the Rings is not a love story. There are certainly romantic themes, but the story is an epic. I don't remember any other epic movies where a minor female character had 15 seconds of lip-quivering because her father told her that she couldn't be with her boyfriend.

It's been said often in many threads that the romance need to be played up because people would be confused by the wedding at the end. I certainly wasn't confused when I read the books for the first time. Boo hoo indeed.

**crickhollow** · 01-18-2003, 12:16 AM

Welcome to the moot, straight_face. Arwen's movie role is a pretty popular topic of discussion. Because there is already a thread going about her here , I'm going to close this one.

01-17-2003, 08:47 PM	#1
straight_face Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angband Posts: 91	Boo hoo Arwen I was greatly irritated when I realized Arwen had a part in the Two Towers. In the Fellowship of the Ring, I would have enjoyed seeing Glorfindel, an interesting character portrayed in the book. Hollywood seems to have a defect in which they attempt putting more women in movies, you know, the tough-looking but not-so women. Arwen is one of these, and whenever I attempt arguing this subject to others they reply with the fact that the movie supposedly needed more women. They are not correct, I believe. Then they anger returned when Arwen had the most boring part in the Two Towers. I am angered that they turned the movie into a love story and I am sure Tolkien would not be so pleased with that. I know there was the occasional appearences that Arwen made, for example in Rivendell, but they have stretched it too far. I have read the Two Towers a third time and Arwen has no part, or for that matter, a name mentioning throughout the entire thing. Her parts in the Two Towers were not needed and were not necessary at all. They happened to be the only boring part in the movie. I am worried about the Return of the King. Considering she has three paragraphs of things to say to Frodo, she'll probably take up half of the movie. __________________ 'There was no need. He halted just by us and looked down at us. "Gandalf!" I said at last, but my voice was only a whisper. Did he say: "Hullo, Pippin! This is a pleasant surprise!" No, indeed! He said: "Get up, you tom-fool of a Took! Where, in the name of wonder, in all this ruin is Treebeard? I want him. Quick!"' 'What are we going to do now then?' asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows. "Knock on the door with your head, Peregrin Took,' said Gandalf. 'But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words.' 'Fool of a Took!' he growled. 'This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!'

01-17-2003, 11:13 PM	#3
Celebréiel Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A house! Posts: 376	Yeah, I used to really hate movie arwen, now she just irks me alot. I think I heard PJ say that is kinda supposed to be all one movie and thought of together. They wanted to have things not get all new and strange all of a sudden in the third movie, like 'hey whered this chick come from?' So I can kinda understand the need for her involvement in Fotr now.(Even though I would have loved to have seen Glorfindel ) Im still trying to let it sink in for TT. (still trying to let alot of things sink in from TT) So yeah, Arwen still sucks tho.. ~Celebréiel __________________ Peace Yeah, Your an individual...just like everyone else. http://cartalien.deviantart.com/ - Arty goodness

01-18-2003, 12:16 AM	#5
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	Welcome to the moot, straight_face. Arwen's movie role is a pretty popular topic of discussion. Because there is already a thread going about her here , I'm going to close this one. __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

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01-17-2003, 11:02 PM	#2
ugo Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 9	Unfortuanetly its obligatory for almost all films to have some sort of 'complicated' love interest as a status quo. Otherwise film makers and board directors get scared of its audience asking... "Yeah but where's the love interest?" and then the sky would fall in. Like all films for the masses they also have to include an 'unlikely' protagonist, an 'impervious' antagonist, some form of 'comic relief' and an aging 'sage' like figure who explains whats going on. Of course its arguable that the origainal text pioneered most of the stereotypes. Arwen's terrible. We all know that. But as far as the director was concerned the film needed a continuous romantic theme. And there aren't many alternatives (probably due to the lack of female characters ). It was either Aragorn and Arwen's relationship or Sam and Frodo's. But that's another thread altogether.

01-17-2003, 11:41 PM	#4
obscenename Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 19	I agree that Jackson/Boyens' Arwen sucks. I disagree with the assertion that a love interest is obligatory. There are plenty of serious movies made for the masses that have no romantic subplots. The two female screenwriters have amped up the love story in the mistaken belief that audiences would not warm to a movie that doesn't have two people (or a person and a horse) kissing. The story was written by a man from a man's point of view. I watched the movie froma man's point of view. I believe the movie would have succeeded without the woman's touch. The point is that the Lord of the Rings is not a love story. There are certainly romantic themes, but the story is an epic. I don't remember any other epic movies where a minor female character had 15 seconds of lip-quivering because her father told her that she couldn't be with her boyfriend. It's been said often in many threads that the romance need to be played up because people would be confused by the wedding at the end. I certainly wasn't confused when I read the books for the first time. Boo hoo indeed.