Ave Papa - we have a new Pope - Page 5

Insidious Rex · 05-12-2005, 01:25 PM

Theres that L word again.

But i notice you include hetero and homo in there so that works. And in so doing your point becomes irrelevant to mine which is homosexuality/gay marriage doesnt harm. unsafe sex sure.

***RÃan*** · 05-12-2005, 04:22 PM

This is a pretty good comparison here - the attitudes about partial birth abortion and gay marriage.

In MY opinion, gay marriage causes harm, so I will vote against it. And if people think that it DOESN'T cause harm, then I would tell them to vote FOR it, because I think ALL people should do what they think is right, regardless of whether they agree with me or not (I'm very openminded and tolerant

). Yet YOU say I shouldn't push my opinion on others by voting the way that I think is right, because I don't have to marry another woman. Let's remember that reasoning and look at the next example...

In YOUR opinion, partial birth abortion causes harm, so you would vote against it. But if other people disagree with you, would you tell them to vote FOR it, as I do with gay marriage? And why shouldn't YOU apply the same standard to yourself that you try to push on me? IOW, why are YOU trying to push YOUR opinion onto others that think partial birth abortion is just fine? YOU don't have to get one; why should you limit the freedom of people that think partial birth abortion is fine? Seems like a double standard to me.

hectorberlioz · 05-12-2005, 04:23 PM

Hmmm...I came to see and read of any new news about Bendict xvi...but never mind

Insidious Rex · 05-12-2005, 04:35 PM

hey rian i bet i can prove to you that killing a fetus is bad for the fetus. can you prove that two people marrying is bad? if not, apples and oranges...

***RÃan*** · 05-12-2005, 04:46 PM

you can prove it to ME, but what about the people that think partial birth abortion is fine? Why should you push YOUR opinion on them? Why not just let them do it if they want to, and not push your opinion on them?

Also, you mentioned pain in abortion. Studies are showing that the fetus can feel pain VERY early on, even in the first trimester. So will you now vote to make ALL abortions illegal as soon as the fetus feels pain?

Janny · 05-12-2005, 04:56 PM

IR, you used the same argument, so I'm gonna give you the same response.

Condoms could work. If people wear condoms. If I had a hammer, I'd build a fence. If I had any wood.

Insidious Rex · 05-12-2005, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

you can prove it to ME, but what about the people that think partial birth abortion is fine? Why should you push YOUR opinion on them? Why not just let them do it if they want to, and not push your opinion on them?

Also, you mentioned pain in abortion. Studies are showing that the fetus can feel pain VERY early on, even in the first trimester. So will you now vote to make ALL abortions illegal as soon as the fetus feels pain?

Im not interested in debating abortion propoganda thanks. And I see you once again chose to ignore the question about the "harm" of gay marriage versus the harm of killing a nine month old fetus. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Do I need to break down the harm of certain death now? This is not even in the same universe as two men marrying. No one dies each and every time that act is performed.

***Tessar*** · 05-12-2005, 10:30 PM

While this started as a debate about Pope Benedict and what HE stood for, it's now turning into something that should go in one of the many other threads we have for these two exact topics.

Back on subject, please--move the debate to another thread

.

inked · 05-12-2005, 11:22 PM

New POPE likes beer! http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=34727

I was torn between the beer thread and this one, but I figured it was more on topic than my last comment or so

!

Here's to a good German beer swilling POPE - check the figures on the amount delivered!

The last sane person · 05-12-2005, 11:45 PM

Holy-! My kinda pope, regardless of beliefs or postition on things!! After all, he likes german beer, 185 gallons of it no less! AVE PAPA!

Janny · 05-13-2005, 03:55 PM

He's Bavarian. Why the surprise?

(Been to Bavaria. Sung there, drank there. All very nice

)

inked · 05-13-2005, 05:40 PM

No surprise, really, having known and drunk with a few Bavarians. But maybe he's planning on a meeting with a few Angles and Aussies and just needed to be prepared.

***RÃan*** · 05-13-2005, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tessar

While this started as a debate about Pope Benedict and what HE stood for, it's now turning into something that should go in one of the many other threads we have for these two exact topics.

Back on subject, please--move the debate to another thread

.

IRex, I didn't ignore anything - I was busy today (see vent thread) and couldn't respond as much as I wanted to yet. I'll now pick this up on the other thread, but it might not be until Monday - I'm totally wiped out and the son that got that knock on the head has a birthday party tomorrow ...

The Wizard from Milan · 05-13-2005, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

In MY opinion, gay marriage causes harm,

What type of harm?

The Wizard from Milan · 05-13-2005, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meriadoc Brandybuck

The Wizard from Milan: Evil? No. Name one that's actually "evil" and not something that you're for or not for and he was not for/for. (I.e., your religious thoughts don't intervene.)

I'll mention only one but I could mention dozens: during his first travel to Africa he said "go and multiply yourselves" (translating from italian), that is pure evil in countries like the african ones. That is not a point of view, it is morally despicable to promote procreation in countries that are already starving to death.

I notice that nobody has even tried to write one good thing he (purportedly) has done.
EDIT: Tessar has tried. I don't agree in the bit with what he said, but I have to recognize that he tried.

The Wizard from Milan · 05-13-2005, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

Lifestyle, in other words, non-chaste/non-monogamous sexual intercourse results in STDs for heterosexuals and homosexuals.

As I pointed out ad nauseam, working is extremely risky too and still we do it. Most eating is downright irresponsible. Let's not even start talking about driving, according to your logic people who drive should be put into jail as a preventive measure

The last sane person · 05-14-2005, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

No surprise, really, having known and drunk with a few Bavarians. But maybe he's planning on a meeting with a few Angles and Aussies and just needed to be prepared.

Nothing like kicking back with German beer. I could go through just about anything if I had a pint or two of it! Aye singing drunkenly with a bunch of doughty Bavarians is perhaps one the funnest memory I have.

***Earniel*** · 05-14-2005, 02:05 PM

So what are your thoughts on the sped-up process of turning the last pope into a saint? Only the Pope has the right to speed up the process that normally should take a few years (and a miracle!). So far this fast-saint-procedure has only been done once, with Mother Theresa.

Spock · 05-14-2005, 02:54 PM

Well I understand this P. was very close with the last P. and I think that will have some bearing. CNN just had a report saying the investigating body has to find two miracles attributed to him. Not being a Catholic, I don't understand the whole thing anyway.

inked · 05-15-2005, 12:05 AM

TWFM,
You're just upset he's not Italian! Oh, and that he still categorizes as sin what the Church has always categorized as sin - whether same-sex or opposite-sex! Is there anything else, except complaint on these grounds?

And, by the way, neither JPII or B16 are responsible for Africa's problems, as you imply. That would be largely due to a number of leaders who have their own morality and act accordingly. Which, as I recall, you endorse yourself for yourself. So where do you get off judging anyone......unless there is a common morality to which you appeal,...hmmmmmmmmmm?

05-12-2005, 01:25 PM	#81
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	Theres that L word again. But i notice you include hetero and homo in there so that works. And in so doing your point becomes irrelevant to mine which is homosexuality/gay marriage doesnt harm. unsafe sex sure. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Last edited by Insidious Rex : 05-12-2005 at 01:26 PM.

05-12-2005, 04:22 PM	#82
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	This is a pretty good comparison here - the attitudes about partial birth abortion and gay marriage. In MY opinion, gay marriage causes harm, so I will vote against it. And if people think that it DOESN'T cause harm, then I would tell them to vote FOR it, because I think ALL people should do what they think is right, regardless of whether they agree with me or not (I'm very openminded and tolerant ). Yet YOU say I shouldn't push my opinion on others by voting the way that I think is right, because I don't have to marry another woman. Let's remember that reasoning and look at the next example... In YOUR opinion, partial birth abortion causes harm, so you would vote against it. But if other people disagree with you, would you tell them to vote FOR it, as I do with gay marriage? And why shouldn't YOU apply the same standard to yourself that you try to push on me? IOW, why are YOU trying to push YOUR opinion onto others that think partial birth abortion is just fine? YOU don't have to get one; why should you limit the freedom of people that think partial birth abortion is fine? Seems like a double standard to me. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

05-12-2005, 04:23 PM	#83
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05-12-2005, 04:35 PM	#84
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	hey rian i bet i can prove to you that killing a fetus is bad for the fetus. can you prove that two people marrying is bad? if not, apples and oranges... __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

05-12-2005, 04:46 PM	#85
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	you can prove it to ME, but what about the people that think partial birth abortion is fine? Why should you push YOUR opinion on them? Why not just let them do it if they want to, and not push your opinion on them? Also, you mentioned pain in abortion. Studies are showing that the fetus can feel pain VERY early on, even in the first trimester. So will you now vote to make ALL abortions illegal as soon as the fetus feels pain? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

05-12-2005, 04:56 PM	#86
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	IR, you used the same argument, so I'm gonna give you the same response. Condoms could work. If people wear condoms. If I had a hammer, I'd build a fence. If I had any wood. Last edited by Janny : 05-12-2005 at 04:57 PM.

05-12-2005, 10:30 PM	#88
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	While this started as a debate about Pope Benedict and what HE stood for, it's now turning into something that should go in one of the many other threads we have for these two exact topics. Back on subject, please--move the debate to another thread .

05-12-2005, 11:22 PM	#89
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	New POPE likes beer! http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=34727 I was torn between the beer thread and this one, but I figured it was more on topic than my last comment or so ! Here's to a good German beer swilling POPE - check the figures on the amount delivered! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

05-12-2005, 11:45 PM	#90
The last sane person The Black NÃºmenÃ³rean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	Holy-! My kinda pope, regardless of beliefs or postition on things!! After all, he likes german beer, 185 gallons of it no less! AVE PAPA! __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. Last edited by The last sane person : 05-12-2005 at 11:46 PM.

05-13-2005, 03:55 PM	#91
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	He's Bavarian. Why the surprise? (Been to Bavaria. Sung there, drank there. All very nice ) __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

05-13-2005, 05:40 PM	#92
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	No surprise, really, having known and drunk with a few Bavarians. But maybe he's planning on a meeting with a few Angles and Aussies and just needed to be prepared. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

05-14-2005, 02:05 PM	#98
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	So what are your thoughts on the sped-up process of turning the last pope into a saint? Only the Pope has the right to speed up the process that normally should take a few years (and a miracle!). So far this fast-saint-procedure has only been done once, with Mother Theresa. __________________ We are not things.

05-14-2005, 02:54 PM	#99
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Well I understand this P. was very close with the last P. and I think that will have some bearing. CNN just had a report saying the investigating body has to find two miracles attributed to him. Not being a Catholic, I don't understand the whole thing anyway. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

05-15-2005, 12:05 AM	#100
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	TWFM, You're just upset he's not Italian! Oh, and that he still categorizes as sin what the Church has always categorized as sin - whether same-sex or opposite-sex! Is there anything else, except complaint on these grounds? And, by the way, neither JPII or B16 are responsible for Africa's problems, as you imply. That would be largely due to a number of leaders who have their own morality and act accordingly. Which, as I recall, you endorse yourself for yourself. So where do you get off judging anyone......unless there is a common morality to which you appeal,...hmmmmmmmmmm? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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