Favorite Maiar - Page 4

Artanis · 01-20-2004, 04:16 AM

Ulmo, I see your line of reasoning, but to me it doesn't ring true that a Maia should change fate when becoming incarnate.

Ulmo · 01-20-2004, 03:57 PM

What was different about the Istari then? Ainur incarnated; when they die, their spirits are too weak to do anything within the earth because they depend so heavily on the hroa so the fea lives the physical world. If you disagree there, then all I know to do is agree to disagree.

Artanis · 01-20-2004, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Ulmo
What was different about the Istari then?

The difference imo, at least with Gandalf, was that Eru changed his fate, as an exception.

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Ainur incarnated; when they die, their spirits are too weak to do anything within the earth because they depend so heavily on the hroa so the fea lives the physical world. If you disagree there, then all I know to do is agree to disagree.

OK, agree to disagree.

And thanks to everyone whose patience have permitted us to completely hijack this thread.

Arien the Maia · 01-20-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
The difference imo, at least with Gandalf, was that Eru changed his fate, as an exception. OK, agree to disagree.

And thanks to everyone whose patience have permitted us to completely hijack this thread.

as the thread starter, I don't care if this thread goes into diiscussion of the various "fates" (as it were) of any Maia...so long as we are talking about Maiar and no fates of any other race

basically anything to do with the Maiar and why they are your favorite Maia!

Ulmo · 01-21-2004, 01:09 AM

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The difference imo, at least with Gandalf, was that Eru changed his fate, as an exception.

Eru changed his fate by returning him - it was natural for him (and the other Istari) to leave, as noted by the quote provided.

trolls' bane · 02-04-2004, 07:57 PM

Gandalf is most likely my favorite Maia.

Embladyne · 02-27-2005, 12:45 PM

No real order:
Arien - she's obviously really special, being all fiery, and it's awesome that she gets to drive the sun across the sky.
Melian - well, she's the fairest of the Maiar, and wise, and protected many of the grey elves from Melkor because she married Elwë and helped protect his realm...and she wasn't a hypocrite like him when Beren wanted to marry Luthien.
Olorin - wise, self-sacrificing...loved jokes, and making fireworks, cared as much about the living of a good life as just staying alive.
Aiwendil - his care for the works of Yavanna, and his devotion that caused him to remain in ME indefinitely.

tolkienfan · 05-04-2005, 11:53 PM

Gandalf I think because he's really nice to hobbits. He's wise and patient and kind.

Beor · 05-05-2005, 10:26 PM

I am a big fan of Uinen because I think she rocks. Plus, chicks in water are hot (just had to add some chauvanistic flair to it, sorry)

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-05-2005, 10:28 PM

my favourite maiar:

eonwe
olorin
radagast
gothmog, lord of balrogs
sauron

01-20-2004, 04:16 AM	#61
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Ulmo, I see your line of reasoning, but to me it doesn't ring true that a Maia should change fate when becoming incarnate. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

01-20-2004, 03:57 PM	#62
Ulmo Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 76	What was different about the Istari then? Ainur incarnated; when they die, their spirits are too weak to do anything within the earth because they depend so heavily on the hroa so the fea lives the physical world. If you disagree there, then all I know to do is agree to disagree. __________________ 'Legolas' on The Barrow-Downs ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

02-04-2004, 07:57 PM	#66
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Gandalf is most likely my favorite Maia. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

02-27-2005, 12:45 PM	#67
Embladyne Honourary Elitist Inklette Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: between the mountains and the sea Posts: 704	No real order: Arien - she's obviously really special, being all fiery, and it's awesome that she gets to drive the sun across the sky. Melian - well, she's the fairest of the Maiar, and wise, and protected many of the grey elves from Melkor because she married Elwë and helped protect his realm...and she wasn't a hypocrite like him when Beren wanted to marry Luthien. Olorin - wise, self-sacrificing...loved jokes, and making fireworks, cared as much about the living of a good life as just staying alive. Aiwendil - his care for the works of Yavanna, and his devotion that caused him to remain in ME indefinitely. __________________ Even on the pinnacle of a palace a crow does not become an eagle. My DA page

05-04-2005, 11:53 PM	#68
tolkienfan Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Internet Posts: 803	Gandalf I think because he's really nice to hobbits. He's wise and patient and kind. __________________ Don't be hasty! Thanks so much to Last Child of Ungoliant, Twista, and BeardofPants for my avatar!

05-05-2005, 10:26 PM	#69
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	I am a big fan of Uinen because I think she rocks. Plus, chicks in water are hot (just had to add some chauvanistic flair to it, sorry) __________________ Well, there it is.

05-05-2005, 10:28 PM	#70
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	my favourite maiar: eonwe olorin radagast gothmog, lord of balrogs sauron

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