Oh no hes gone for a cheasy ending (spoilers) - Page 4

Black Breathalizer · 05-11-2003, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
I don't believe event the movie Aragorn would go into a battle he knows he cannot win.

I understand what you're saying based on Helm's Deep, but the War of the Ring will be a different deal.

Gandalf's plan straight from the book is to send the armies of the West to the gates of Mordor knowing full well that they cannot win. My bet is that Jackson plays this to the hilt. The sense will be they are all going to their doom but by taking the fight to Mordor, they will give the Ringbearer the only chance he has to accomplish his mission.

Based on this rumor about Sauron, I can envision the following scenario:

1. The armies of the West bring their fight to the gates of Mordor.

2. The Mouth of Sauron (a GREAT choice of actor by the way, he's that creepy "wormtonguish-like" dude from The Road Warrior) will have his confrontation with Gandalf and company and show them Frodo's mithril coat.

3. War will break out between the two sides that will make the prologue of FOTR look like a picnic.

4. Just like in the prologue, Sauron, himself, will appear on the scene. The hordes will part and all from the West who stand before him will be mowed down effortlessly.

5. Suddenly Aragorn steps forward holding a shining sword. Sauron pauses for an instant, recognizing the sword and the lineage of this lone man now standing before him...before he attacks...as the final moments of the War of the Ring come to a dramatic and glorious end.

Dreran the Green · 05-11-2003, 11:12 AM

yeah I will miss him

Edit: by him I meant richard harris, not sauron

gimli7410 · 05-11-2003, 11:14 AM

i can see it now....

Dreran the Green · 05-11-2003, 11:15 AM

gimli7410 · 05-11-2003, 11:18 AM

i bet PJ did it cheap. probably used the prologue of the movie and then threw aragorn instead of isildur and then threw gandalf somewhere along with a couple of hobbits and voila you have the war of the ring

Elf Girl · 05-11-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Gandalf's plan straight from the book is to send the armies of the West to the gates of Mordor knowing full well that they cannot win. My bet is that Jackson plays this to the hilt. The sense will be they are all going to their doom but by taking the fight to Mordor, they will give the Ringbearer the only chance he has to accomplish his mission.

But look. What the armies of the West were trying to accomplish is to make it look like they had the Ring and were over-confident, thus distracting Sauron from seeing the Ringbearer, yes? So from Sauron's point of view, an army with the Ring shows up to challenge him, guy with the Ring steps out and attacks him- but wait! Aragorn doesn't have the Ring! Send the Nazgul to Mt. Doom! ...and then the Ring is coincidentally destroyed and Sauron goes up in a puff of smoke.

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Based on this rumor about Sauron, I can envision the following scenario:

1. The armies of the West bring their fight to the gates of Mordor.

2. The Mouth of Sauron (a GREAT choice of actor by the way, he's that creepy "wormtonguish-like" dude from The Road Warrior) will have his confrontation with Gandalf and company and show them Frodo's mithril coat.

3. War will break out between the two sides that will make the prologue of FOTR look like a picnic.

Good so far.

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
4. Just like in the prologue, Sauron, himself, will appear on the scene. The hordes will part and all from the West who stand before him will be mowed down effortlessly.

Just like in the prologue... except for one tiny miniscule differance- Sauron hasn't got the Ring! And Gandalf is here. A Maia. To the audience, a really cool old guy who killed that firey thing with horns and no wings (

). We don't know what he can accomplish, we're thinking, "Why doesn't Gandalf do something?"

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
5. Suddenly Aragorn steps forward holding a shining sword. Sauron pauses for an instant, recognizing the sword and the lineage of this lone man now standing before him...before he attacks...as the final moments of the War of the Ring come to a dramatic and glorious end.

Sauron pauses for an instant, recognizing the sword and the lineage of this lone man now standing before him...before he attacks...and for no reason at all...Sauron goes up in a puff of smoke...as the final moments of the War of the Ring come to a confusing end.

Also: If Arwen said: 'You will face the same evil and you will defeat it', then it doesn't come true. Aragorn doesn't defeat Sauron, Frodo does. (Or Gollum or Sam if you want to be annoying.) So basically Aragorn doesn't have to do anything, just wave his pretty reforged sword his Xenarwen hot elf babe brought him.

Again, what about the confusion factor? A quote from my original post:

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Now wait just a second. Don't you think it will confuse people? I thought the movie was saying this: (about Sauron's physical form.)

After the Ring was taken from him at the Last Alliance, he no longer had a 'body', but was a flaming eye.

If the attatchment below is not Sauron's form in the movie Third Age, then what is it? His logo? His sign, 'Sauron. All purpose Dark Lord for hire'?

(Go back to the original post for attachment, but here's another anyway.)

***azalea*** · 05-11-2003, 02:17 PM

I just have to say that the one thing I dislike about moderating is having to read the posts that contain spoilers. I don't like spoilers.

(Don't forget we have the grey spoiler thingy you can use when you post, even if you just put it over certain key words.)

Cirdan · 05-11-2003, 03:02 PM

but don't you have to mod the spoiler text, too?

Elf Girl · 05-11-2003, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by azalea
I just have to say that the one thing I dislike about moderating is having to read the posts that contain spoilers. I don't like spoilers. (Don't forget we have the grey spoiler thingy you can use when you post, even if you just put it over certain key words.)

I'll mod the spoilers for you, if you want.

Black Breathalizer · 05-11-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by azalea
I just have to say that the one thing I dislike about moderating is having to read the posts that contain spoilers. I don't like spoilers. (Don't forget we have the grey spoiler thingy you can use when you post, even if you just put it over certain key words.)

Don't worry, azalea, this is all just speculation. If the stuff I posted turns out to be a spoiler, then it just means --- ta daaa --- BB is right yet again.

gimli7410 · 05-11-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by azalea
I just have to say that the one thing I dislike about moderating is having to read the posts that contain spoilers. I don't like spoilers. (Don't forget we have the grey spoiler thingy you can use when you post, even if you just put it over certain key words.)

oh well youll see it sooner or later. but yea that must suck

markedel · 05-11-2003, 06:02 PM

This spoiler is making me ill.

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-11-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
It would be very logical for Sauron to fight Aragorn. He would be a stronger match physically than anyone else (although still not in Sauron's league) but more importantly, he is the heir of Isildur. I'm sure Sauron would like nothing better than to kick his butt. It would be the classic 'david versus goliath' scene and a very dramatic finale to the war of the ring.

Okay, before you said that this is done for dramatic purposes, and now we decide to do logic. Please be consistent.

Also, I HIGHLY doubt he'd be a stronger match physically than anyone, but it does not matter, as Sauron is NOT a physical being, but a spiritual (or, as I believe Tolkien said, 'divine') one. The only reason he's made into a physical, armor-clad giant is to satisfy PJ's infatuation with the monstrous.

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That's the drama, Elf Girl. Aragorn and the audience know that Sauron will beat him to a plup. The suspense is whether or not Aragorn will survive until the ring is destroyed. Aragorn's act is a self-sacrificing one. He expects to die.

And now we're back to drama?

Make up your mind!

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I understand what you're saying based on Helm's Deep, but the War of the Ring will be a different deal.

The War of the Ring was

Bombadillo · 05-11-2003, 06:38 PM

Soon the public has got to notice how much the movies contradict themselves, and therefore how much they suck.

With some luck PJ will suffer some accidental impalement with a sword during his next cameo.

Dreran the Green · 05-11-2003, 06:43 PM

accidental , you say???

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-11-2003, 06:44 PM

That's not nice...

I would say "with some luck, PJ will quietly retire from the field with his money from these movies."

Dreran the Green · 05-11-2003, 06:52 PM

Okay, I can live with that.

Ya know, all this stuff sorta makes you wonder, why didn't chris tolkien direct the movies or something? The guy's still alive, right?

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-11-2003, 07:19 PM

Indeed he is. It would have been good if he had.

I expect it has to do with not thinking Tolkien's book could be translated well to movie.

Gwaimir Windgem · 05-11-2003, 07:19 PM

EDIT: Double-post. For more information, please refer to my title.

Dreran the Green · 05-11-2003, 07:22 PM

Well, it would've been better translated if he had done it

05-11-2003, 11:12 AM	#62
Dreran the Green Lady of Legends Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missing. Reward if found. Posts: 1,083	yeah I will miss him Edit: by him I meant richard harris, not sauron __________________ The end justifies the means, thought Aziraphale. And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.* *This is not actually true. The road to Hell is paved with frozen door to door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it. ~Good Omens

05-11-2003, 11:14 AM	#63
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i can see it now.... __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

05-11-2003, 11:15 AM	#64
Dreran the Green Lady of Legends Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missing. Reward if found. Posts: 1,083	__________________ The end justifies the means, thought Aziraphale. And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.* *This is not actually true. The road to Hell is paved with frozen door to door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it. ~Good Omens

05-11-2003, 11:18 AM	#65
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i bet PJ did it cheap. probably used the prologue of the movie and then threw aragorn instead of isildur and then threw gandalf somewhere along with a couple of hobbits and voila you have the war of the ring __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

05-11-2003, 03:02 PM	#68
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	but don't you have to mod the spoiler text, too? __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

05-11-2003, 02:17 PM	#67
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I just have to say that the one thing I dislike about moderating is having to read the posts that contain spoilers. I don't like spoilers. (Don't forget we have the grey spoiler thingy you can use when you post, even if you just put it over certain key words.)

05-11-2003, 06:02 PM	#72
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	This spoiler is making me ill. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

05-11-2003, 06:38 PM	#74
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	Soon the public has got to notice how much the movies contradict themselves, and therefore how much they suck. With some luck PJ will suffer some accidental impalement with a sword during his next cameo. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

05-11-2003, 06:43 PM	#75
Dreran the Green Lady of Legends Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missing. Reward if found. Posts: 1,083	accidental , you say??? __________________ The end justifies the means, thought Aziraphale. And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.* *This is not actually true. The road to Hell is paved with frozen door to door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it. ~Good Omens

05-11-2003, 06:44 PM	#76
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	That's not nice... I would say "with some luck, PJ will quietly retire from the field with his money from these movies." __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

05-11-2003, 06:52 PM	#77
Dreran the Green Lady of Legends Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missing. Reward if found. Posts: 1,083	Okay, I can live with that. Ya know, all this stuff sorta makes you wonder, why didn't chris tolkien direct the movies or something? The guy's still alive, right? __________________ The end justifies the means, thought Aziraphale. And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.* *This is not actually true. The road to Hell is paved with frozen door to door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it. ~Good Omens

05-11-2003, 07:19 PM	#78
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Indeed he is. It would have been good if he had. I expect it has to do with not thinking Tolkien's book could be translated well to movie. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

05-11-2003, 07:22 PM	#80
Dreran the Green Lady of Legends Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missing. Reward if found. Posts: 1,083	Well, it would've been better translated if he had done it __________________ The end justifies the means, thought Aziraphale. And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.* *This is not actually true. The road to Hell is paved with frozen door to door salesmen. On weekends many of the younger demons go ice-skating down it. ~Good Omens

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