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Old 07-03-2008, 01:33 PM   #1
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What does it mean to convert? To turn to something. Basically, it means turning one's life towards Christ, or more towards Christ, even if one is already a Christian.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:37 PM   #2
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What does it mean to convert? To turn to something. Basically, it means turning one's life towards Christ, or more towards Christ, even if one is already a Christian.
Oh, I see. I'm sure a lot of that happened too, but when these various sites and articles use the word "convert," about the people at Zeitoun, it undoubtedly means they've converted from other faiths or non-faiths to Christianity. That is the normal meaning. I never even had heard of the other meaning for "convert" (derived from the root) before you just explained it to me.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:50 PM   #3
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It's used that way in Scripture: "Repent, and be converted". It's a pretty common phrase. Popes call people to it a lot.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:53 PM   #4
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I can see how using the term that way makes sense, in view of the word root. I'm just saying I don't think it's commonly used that way. At least not where I come from or in any of the articles I've ever read .

The popes and Sacred Scripture are perfectly entitled to use the broader meaning, of course. As I said, that makes sense in view of the word root.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:55 PM   #5
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I can see how using the term that way makes sense, in view of the word root. I'm just saying I don't think it's commonly used that way. At least not where I come from or in any of the articles I've ever read .

The popes and Sacred Scripture are perfectly entitled to use the broader meaning, of course. As I said, that makes sense in view of the word root.
It's fairly common in the Catholic tradition of spirituality. Just google the phrase; you come up with 630,000 results.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:09 PM   #6
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It's fairly common in the Catholic tradition of spirituality. Just google the phrase; you come up with 630,000 results.
Okay . My point was just that it doesn't show up on normal media channels or conversation with non-Catholics, much. Inside the Catholic tradition of spirituality, sure, but in mainstream use outside of that, it doesn't show up. I doubt very highly that that's what the Zeitoun website meant.
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