Palantir clip from ROTK - Page 2

Elf Girl · 12-10-2003, 03:59 PM

We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

**Nurvingiel** · 12-10-2003, 05:27 PM

Oh. Now I know that. *mopes in corner*

I loved that part of the book.

And this means Merry won't kill/help Eowyn defeat the Witch-King.

That completely sucks rocks.

Elvengirl · 12-11-2003, 09:13 AM

*sigh*
dissappointed, that's all I can say

Firekitten2006 · 12-11-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

but i SWEAR i saw a clip or something like that with a pic of him on his knee and Theoden "swearing" him ya know with the sword and all and if hes with pippen wont this totally screw up pippins little growing up time.

***Valandil*** · 12-11-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

But we also see clips of Merry riding with the Rohirrim... and we see Gandalf and Pippin (just the two of them) riding into Minas Tirith. How do we know Merry doesn't swear fealty to Theoden?

Don't get too up in arms folks.

jerseydevil · 12-11-2003, 06:09 PM

Obviously Jackson changed the movie so much - does it really matter anymore? Pippin may ride with Eowyn, but he may never swear fealty to Theoden. Pippin looks into the palantir - but it has been turned into an overhyped action/horror scene. More of the same, more of the same.

Silmarien · 12-11-2003, 06:14 PM

I saw in one of those official movie companion books (or whatever they are called) that the palantir scene takes place in Edoras.

I have read posts on another forum (written by people who have seen it) that Merry doesn't swear allegiance. On the other hand, he's shown doing it in the trailer. I'm forced to conclude that we'll probably see the swearing of allegiance in the Extended Edition.

Silmarien

Elf Girl · 12-11-2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Valandil
But we also see clips of Merry riding with the Rohirrim... and we see Gandalf and Pippin (just the two of them) riding into Minas Tirith. How do we know Merry doesn't swear fealty to Theoden?

It's mentioned in the review posted by me below, in the 'new movie review reveals major changes' thread.

Dúnedain · 12-11-2003, 06:56 PM

Man you all get so bent out of shape over the smallest things, jeez...

BTW that is clearly NOT Minas Tirith, it is Meduseld, plus all the spoilers have said it is Meduseld as well...

**Nurvingiel** · 12-12-2003, 01:05 PM

Didn't you mean Merry JD?

Well I don't know how obvious it is. It could have been Minas Tirith, but it is better if it's Medusaled. Then it's closer to the book. (Maybe they still do Gandalf's rock pillow, even though they're in-doors.)

Then, Merry would still have a chance to swear fealty to Theoden and ride with Eowyn. I like your theory, it's heartening and it makes sense.

mithrand1r · 12-12-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Didn't you mean Merry JD?

With PJ&Co one can never be sure.

Although some of the changes said to take place in LOTR:ROTK do not sound encouraging, I will wait till I see the movie before I review the film.

Dúnedain,

If there only were minor changes from the book to film, I do not think many people would mind as much.

Added to some of the more drastic changes that have occured in the films (the minor changes) only adds "salt to the wounds" (figuratively of course

)

Hopefully the film will exceed everyone's highest expectations and be a very good film adaptaion of LOTR:ROTK.

jerseydevil · 12-12-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Didn't you mean Merry JD?

Well I don't know how obvious it is. It could have been Minas Tirith, but it is better if it's Medusaled. Then it's closer to the book. (Maybe they still do Gandalf's rock pillow, even though they're in-doors.)

Then, Merry would still have a chance to swear fealty to Theoden and ride with Eowyn. I like your theory, it's heartening and it makes sense.

yes - I meant Merry. But as Mithrind1r said - with PJ it's hard to tell and I still have a hard time telling Pippin and Merry apart in the movies.

Dunedain - it's not getting bent out of shape - with the number of changes jackson has made - the movie is becoming pretty much unrecognizable from the book and the chnages have distorted the story. As demonstrated by this scene - Jackson again does over the top action sequence. Looks similar to the exorcism crap.

Attalus · 12-12-2003, 03:42 PM

Grr, I can't make it work. I hate dialup.

Dúnedain · 12-12-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Well I don't know how obvious it is. It could have been Minas Tirith, but it is better if it's Medusaled. Then it's closer to the book. (Maybe they still do Gandalf's rock pillow, even though they're in-doors.)

It's not a theory it's a fact, lol. Read any of the people who have written reviews that included spoilers. They speak of this scene happening in Meduseld. Also watch any trailer, Merry does ride with Eowyn.

Besides, outside of all that above info I listed, look at the rooms in that clip. That is no "white city". If you compare the look of that room with the other clips of Rohan they look extremely similar. On the contrary if you look at that clip and compare it to any clips of Minas Tirith, they look nothing alike.

Elf Girl · 12-12-2003, 06:35 PM

I looked up the 'fealty' referance in the review here. It says not to expect the pledging of fealty, 'or any of that plot line'. I don't know if 'that plot line' would include riding with Eowyn, but I suspect it does.

I presume the trailers include things from the Extended cut.

Dúnedain · 12-12-2003, 08:36 PM

No the fealty does not include the riding with Eowyn/Dernhelm, that IS in the movie as has been noted by many people who have seen the movie already in advanced screenings...

CardenIAntauraNauco · 12-13-2003, 11:46 AM

Although I dislike many of Jackson's changes to the movie (especially those of the nature of Arwen, Faramir, and in some ways Theoden) I don't think I could have ever expected a better production of the movie, They had the right idea in alot of the scenes (e.g. Helm's Deep, The Entmoot, Edoras,etc..). They spent alot of time getting the movie together and for the most part they did a very good job as far as making a movie, and maybe a little below average job of making the movie accurate to the book. Most movies made from books are wildly inaccurate.

There were some discrepancies from the book but that certainly doesn't make jackson an idiot. I have heard many people tell me there favorite charachter was Arwen, of course this suprised me, but it made me realize that jackson knew exactly what he was doing. Jackson realized the majority of the movie-going population 1.) are not very bright 2.) Have never read the books. If you think people like good plot's and not much action then explain why The Rock was so popular. The thing is Jackson is selling a movie to mostly stupid people, and his principal objective is not to make a movie accurate to LOTR the book, it is to make money. Which he did quite well.

I don't mean to be lying in the catch but Jackson did put ALOT of work into this, as did many other people and while it is frustrating to hear people go about as if they're experts on LOTR when they haven't so much as opened the book at least they have been able to access some of the enjoyment they could not obtain because of there unintelligence and illiteracy.

I myself like the movies just fine, If you can stomach the changes, there's much to enjoy.

**Nurvingiel** · 12-13-2003, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
We already know he doesn't swear fealty to Theoden, so I suppose he goes to Gondor with Pippin.

Actually, I erroneously thought that before. I had (probably) wrongly assumed the the Palantir clip takes place in Minas Tirith. Someone pointed out to me that it's probably in Medusaled. Not only does this make more sense, but it allows for Merry's story line to continue.
I was in Chapters today and skimmed through the RotK visual companion. It showed:

Merry swearing fealty to Theoden, Merry riding with Dernhelm, and Pippin looking very Prince of the Halflings-ish in Gondorian armour.

Now that's a relief!

Elvengirl · 12-14-2003, 11:52 AM

Good to hear. We mustn't get carried away before we the movie, there's just no point.

12-10-2003, 03:59 PM	#21
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12-11-2003, 09:13 AM	#23
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12-11-2003, 06:09 PM	#26
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Obviously Jackson changed the movie so much - does it really matter anymore? Pippin may ride with Eowyn, but he may never swear fealty to Theoden. Pippin looks into the palantir - but it has been turned into an overhyped action/horror scene. More of the same, more of the same. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

12-11-2003, 06:56 PM	#29
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Man you all get so bent out of shape over the smallest things, jeez... BTW that is clearly NOT Minas Tirith, it is Meduseld, plus all the spoilers have said it is Meduseld as well... __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

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12-11-2003, 06:14 PM	#27
Silmarien Sapling Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 2	I saw in one of those official movie companion books (or whatever they are called) that the palantir scene takes place in Edoras. I have read posts on another forum (written by people who have seen it) that Merry doesn't swear allegiance. On the other hand, he's shown doing it in the trailer. I'm forced to conclude that we'll probably see the swearing of allegiance in the Extended Edition. Silmarien

12-12-2003, 06:35 PM	#35
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I looked up the 'fealty' referance in the review here. It says not to expect the pledging of fealty, 'or any of that plot line'. I don't know if 'that plot line' would include riding with Eowyn, but I suspect it does. I presume the trailers include things from the Extended cut. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

12-12-2003, 08:36 PM	#36
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	No the fealty does not include the riding with Eowyn/Dernhelm, that IS in the movie as has been noted by many people who have seen the movie already in advanced screenings... __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

12-13-2003, 11:46 AM	#37
CardenIAntauraNauco Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: rural oklahoma Posts: 324	Although I dislike many of Jackson's changes to the movie (especially those of the nature of Arwen, Faramir, and in some ways Theoden) I don't think I could have ever expected a better production of the movie, They had the right idea in alot of the scenes (e.g. Helm's Deep, The Entmoot, Edoras,etc..). They spent alot of time getting the movie together and for the most part they did a very good job as far as making a movie, and maybe a little below average job of making the movie accurate to the book. Most movies made from books are wildly inaccurate. There were some discrepancies from the book but that certainly doesn't make jackson an idiot. I have heard many people tell me there favorite charachter was Arwen, of course this suprised me, but it made me realize that jackson knew exactly what he was doing. Jackson realized the majority of the movie-going population 1.) are not very bright 2.) Have never read the books. If you think people like good plot's and not much action then explain why The Rock was so popular. The thing is Jackson is selling a movie to mostly stupid people, and his principal objective is not to make a movie accurate to LOTR the book, it is to make money. Which he did quite well. I don't mean to be lying in the catch but Jackson did put ALOT of work into this, as did many other people and while it is frustrating to hear people go about as if they're experts on LOTR when they haven't so much as opened the book at least they have been able to access some of the enjoyment they could not obtain because of there unintelligence and illiteracy. I myself like the movies just fine, If you can stomach the changes, there's much to enjoy. __________________ "We will have peace","Yes we will have peace...we will have peace when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark lord to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar,Saruman,and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me and I percieve only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just - as it was not,for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine, for your own profit you desired-even so, what will you say of your Torches in westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Hama's body before the gates of Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanc. So much for the House of Eorl. A lesser son of greater Sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewither for I fear your voice has lost it's charm.

12-14-2003, 11:52 AM	#39
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