11-08-2002, 12:04 AM | #1 | |||||
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Did Maeglin had a chance?
Let's look at the life of Maeglin, did he really had a chance of being good.
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11-08-2002, 01:02 PM | #2 |
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Rejected by one parent and one loeve object, love and honored by his grandfather and MANY of the people of Gondolin. Had his achivments rocgnized and rewarded with position, wealth and respect. Does not seem to have had it all that bad. People with much much less behaved better. A much more vulnarable in body mortal Hurin resisted domination from Morgoth much better, even with all his loved ones at direct physcial risk, whereas Maeglin was controlled, even when that incresed rather than decreased the danger to his family and friends.
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11-08-2002, 08:53 PM | #3 |
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I think everyone has and had a chance. Certainly when Morgoth brought him before his throne, he had a chance not to betray his beloved Gondolin, and all the people in it. I don't care about his background, he didn't have to do what he did. The alternative was no doubt death (swift or slow), but it was the only right thing to do.
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11-13-2002, 12:47 AM | #4 |
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He never had a chance at being a "good" guy. The story required a Judas to bring Gondolin down. Being a Noldoran city it was ensnared in the Doom of Mandos which predicted treachery as the means for the Exiles end. Maeglin is well suited for the role of tragic traitor. He could not overcome his fate and didn't even try to.
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11-13-2002, 09:10 AM | #5 |
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I am not so Maeglin was specificly fated for treachery. Predicting that there would treachery among the enemies of the greatest seducer in creation, Morgoth Bauglir, is not much more difficult that predicting there will be tragedy in the war. Over time is just bound to happen, and it is amazing that it did not occur more often.
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11-27-2002, 03:47 AM | #6 |
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I think that although everyone has a chance to do, or be, good, Maeglin did not have a particuarly good chance, considering the evidence from the book given by Maedhros. As a 'tool' for Tolkien in terms of plot and needing someone to bring down the city, he definitely didn't have a chance, as pointed out by Keith. As for his character and person, I think that considering his parents and his pattern of rejection, he didn't have much chance. He didn't seem the type to carry on despite hardship, as others in worse positions might.
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11-28-2002, 07:16 PM | #8 |
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Kirinki,
Sorry for drifting off-topic, I just wanted to say "Hi" It's an interesting discussion going on in the Telerin ships thread. Come over, Ithildin and I are shredding Feanor to pieces... O-ops, sorry, I mean we are discussing his selfish motives
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Well lets go have a looksee...
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I meant Feanor´s actions doomed himself, and destroyed his rep for times to come. Now having said that, I wonder if it is true. I will open another thread.
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