Strider vs Esselar - Page 2

Sween · 07-29-2002, 10:12 AM

i dont like either of them the best. i prefer aragorn the most. he does have 3 distinct characters in the book. Strider the misterious ranger. but as soon as the grey company turn up he turns into there lord and i like him the best then. he is so set on the task and a real leader. Sound like he was a good king but he probably didnt get to get his hands dirty much. i also love it when he is tracking merry and pippin and the orcs.

Lord of the rings i still feel is mostly a story about aragorn.

Snowdog · 07-29-2002, 03:56 PM

If we are getting really techincal here, I like Thorondor the best, foir he served Ectheloin and took down the fleet of Umbar.

Lucy Brandybuck · 08-01-2002, 12:44 PM

I agree with Sween...Strider, Aragorn and Elessar are three different personas and Aragorn is definitely my favorite. He's THE perfect man.

Celandine · 08-06-2002, 01:37 PM

strider, dunno why

midnightflame · 08-06-2002, 07:00 PM

like most of other people i choose strider he is more rugged and dirty i like men when there all who cares if i smell. i mean thanks i guy who just doesnt give a damn except for the people he protecting strider is better then when
Aragorn becomes king.

cee2lee2 · 08-12-2002, 09:52 PM

I was going to say Strider until I read Sween's post. Of the three personas, I like Aragorn best. He is still rugged and strong and a true leader.

Nilvasaien · 08-15-2002, 07:37 PM

I prefer Strider, only because I met him first.

Lizra · 08-15-2002, 07:45 PM

Oh! Aragorn

He's got it all, but not too much! What's not to like about Aragorn. He's paid his dues, he's a righteous man who always tries to do the right thing, he puts other's needs before his own, he's humble yet the baddest dude around. Ah!

Elbereth · 08-23-2002, 09:38 AM

Agreed that Strider, Aragorn and Elessar are three different people...I like Strider best because he is more mysterioius, therefore more interesting. The 'Elessar' side of him is not enlarged on in the book, because his coronation is like the third to last chapter, but it leaves you with a sense that he is becoming someone completely new, ready to assume responsability and put his good leader-traits into action. Of all his characters, I dislike Aragorn because he strikes me as too virtuous, trying to combine the Strider-wisdom that comes from living in the wild and the kingly deamenor of Elessar. It makes him lose his humane side.

Beruthiel · 08-28-2002, 07:42 AM

Hum, I don't think of Aragorn as being three people at all anymore...perhaps that's because I have read and read his dialog so often that he is one man, just trying his best in bad circumstances.
He's a bit of an actor in Bree, taking on the Bree accent, talking like a Hobbit, even trying to be "pleasant' like one.

He doesn't change that much, really, from Strider to Aragorn. It's our understanding of him that changes. We learn more and more of him, and it expands what we expect of him. If we had been paying attention when Gandalf visited Frodo, we would know that this Strider is Aragorn already. For Gandalf mentions him by name, as the best hunter-tracker in Middle Earth.
But we weren't really interested then. Nor were we paying attention when Bombadil talks about the men of the lands around the Barrow Downs, and the vision of one riding on a horse, leading a host of men, wearing a silver star. That, as you remember, is the badge of the Rangers.

When he finally takes the palantir, and uses it he is no different; he is still Aragorn. He shows courage and resolve, and for the first time, clear vision as to his path. Perhaps that's what makes him look more kingly. Now he leads his men into battle, instead of teetering on the brink of misfortune. He is no longer undecisive.

Elessar is really "hope" that once was, his mother's son by name and the hope of the world. I don't think he merely reigned on his throne. Just because it wasn't written of doesn't mean he didn't fare beyond the gates of Minas Tirith. Indeed, if I recall, he made a journey to the North Country.

You really have to take into consideration that his life is told nearly in total in the appendixes, if you know where to look and under what name. In telling a tale of a man's life one must separate it into boyhood, adolescence, teen years, and manhood. Poor Aragorn was already aged when he came to Bree! (But spry.) In reading his life I have come to know Elessar Tel-Contar as a friend, an example of nobility, and as a guide.

Oh dear......I believe I've been ranting! EEEKkkkkkk....*end...rant...!*

RosieCotton · 08-28-2002, 09:12 AM

Beruthiel...wow, you made some great points, on how we change from young years, to teenage, to adult. People say that Strider/Aragorn/Elessar is three people, but aren't we? We are different then we were at 5 when we are 15, but most of us don't change our names.

Back to the thread, I prefer Aragorn, though Strider is more interesting to read about. More angst. I probably like Aragorn best because in Lord of the Rings that is how we know him most of the time.

Elbereth · 08-30-2002, 08:16 PM

Those are good points, Berthuiel and RosieCotton! Yet sometimes we like a person better at 5 than 15 (or vice versa), because we may not agree with their different personality-swings.

Celebrian · 09-01-2002, 11:34 AM

definitley Strider, he does so much more than King Elessar.

Linarryl · 10-22-2002, 01:45 PM

King Elessar is so much more bold and noble than gloomy ole Strider who hangs around the prancing pony. But Hey! I like Aragorn better than both of them! (And Legolas better than anyone!)

Farath · 10-22-2002, 01:51 PM

I prefer Elessar. Seems to me, he's still the same chap he was when known as Strider, but now he's that and more!

madeyejay · 10-22-2002, 02:23 PM

I think Aragorn embodies all of him. Aragorn is Stryder & Elessar. He has the nobility and the mystery. He also is versed in the lore of Middle Earth.

Elbereth Gilthoniel · 10-22-2002, 03:37 PM

hhmm i like all of them. I think I like strider but only because I got usual to him.

Sween · 10-22-2002, 05:17 PM

there is a very clear progression of Arorn throught the book. And on several occasions Strider revels himself as Elessar and Tolkien allways comented. Eg legolas sudendnally noticed how kingly he looked etc.

Rember Strider is a person that has spent some 90 odd years in the wild toiling away towards the defeat of sauron. As the book goes on he does take on a lot more responsiablity as the book goes on. From been second in comand of 9 people he becomes leader of 8 then leader of 40 or so (well his own kin probably a few thousand were under his marshling of helms deep) then a whole nation.

Reading what he did for gondor after the war he sounds like a spot on king as well.

entss89 · 10-22-2002, 05:24 PM

i would have to say aragorn because he is one of my faviorite characters and he is so nobil and brave!

give hear..
give hear...
the king has come,
art thy name beith aragorn......

he he i made that up because i thought that aragorn wanted to have a song after him!

Aeryn · 10-27-2002, 06:34 PM

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So THAT'S where you got your title....

07-29-2002, 10:12 AM	#21
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	i dont like either of them the best. i prefer aragorn the most. he does have 3 distinct characters in the book. Strider the misterious ranger. but as soon as the grey company turn up he turns into there lord and i like him the best then. he is so set on the task and a real leader. Sound like he was a good king but he probably didnt get to get his hands dirty much. i also love it when he is tracking merry and pippin and the orcs. Lord of the rings i still feel is mostly a story about aragorn. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-29-2002, 03:56 PM	#22
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	If we are getting really techincal here, I like Thorondor the best, foir he served Ectheloin and took down the fleet of Umbar. __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

08-01-2002, 12:44 PM	#23
Lucy Brandybuck Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 18	I agree with Sween...Strider, Aragorn and Elessar are three different personas and Aragorn is definitely my favorite. He's THE perfect man. __________________ Follow the way of love. --1 Corinthians 14:1

08-06-2002, 07:00 PM	#25
midnightflame Sapling Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: seattle, washington Posts: 13	like most of other people i choose strider he is more rugged and dirty i like men when there all who cares if i smell. i mean thanks i guy who just doesnt give a damn except for the people he protecting strider is better then when Aragorn becomes king. __________________ roses are red violets are blue sogar is sweet and so are you, but the roses are wilting and the violets are dead the sugar bowl is empty and SO IS MY HEAD!!!!!! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: SOME ROSES ARE RED VOILETS ARE'NT BLUE I KNOW I CANT SPELL BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU!!!! HA HA HA H AH AHA HA HA HA MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IM HAVENIG FUN OHHH LOTS OF SHINY RED BUTTTONES!!!!!!!!

08-15-2002, 07:37 PM	#27
Nilvasaien Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Either Erebor or Springfield Posts: 31	I prefer Strider, only because I met him first. __________________ "Somebody was bound to say it one day...I just never thought it would be her."

08-06-2002, 01:37 PM	#24
Celandine Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 168	strider, dunno why

08-12-2002, 09:52 PM	#26
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	I was going to say Strider until I read Sween's post. Of the three personas, I like Aragorn best. He is still rugged and strong and a true leader.

08-15-2002, 07:45 PM	#28
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Oh! Aragorn He's got it all, but not too much! What's not to like about Aragorn. He's paid his dues, he's a righteous man who always tries to do the right thing, he puts other's needs before his own, he's humble yet the baddest dude around. Ah!

08-23-2002, 09:38 AM	#29
Elbereth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 122	Agreed that Strider, Aragorn and Elessar are three different people...I like Strider best because he is more mysterioius, therefore more interesting. The 'Elessar' side of him is not enlarged on in the book, because his coronation is like the third to last chapter, but it leaves you with a sense that he is becoming someone completely new, ready to assume responsability and put his good leader-traits into action. Of all his characters, I dislike Aragorn because he strikes me as too virtuous, trying to combine the Strider-wisdom that comes from living in the wild and the kingly deamenor of Elessar. It makes him lose his humane side. __________________ A! Elbereth Gilithoniel! 'Fate goes ever as fate must.' Beowulf (Seamus Haney's translation) FRODO LIVES!!!

08-28-2002, 07:42 AM	#30
Beruthiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 41	Strider, Aragorn and Elessar ? Hum, I don't think of Aragorn as being three people at all anymore...perhaps that's because I have read and read his dialog so often that he is one man, just trying his best in bad circumstances. He's a bit of an actor in Bree, taking on the Bree accent, talking like a Hobbit, even trying to be "pleasant' like one. He doesn't change that much, really, from Strider to Aragorn. It's our understanding of him that changes. We learn more and more of him, and it expands what we expect of him. If we had been paying attention when Gandalf visited Frodo, we would know that this Strider is Aragorn already. For Gandalf mentions him by name, as the best hunter-tracker in Middle Earth. But we weren't really interested then. Nor were we paying attention when Bombadil talks about the men of the lands around the Barrow Downs, and the vision of one riding on a horse, leading a host of men, wearing a silver star. That, as you remember, is the badge of the Rangers. When he finally takes the palantir, and uses it he is no different; he is still Aragorn. He shows courage and resolve, and for the first time, clear vision as to his path. Perhaps that's what makes him look more kingly. Now he leads his men into battle, instead of teetering on the brink of misfortune. He is no longer undecisive. Elessar is really "hope" that once was, his mother's son by name and the hope of the world. I don't think he merely reigned on his throne. Just because it wasn't written of doesn't mean he didn't fare beyond the gates of Minas Tirith. Indeed, if I recall, he made a journey to the North Country. You really have to take into consideration that his life is told nearly in total in the appendixes, if you know where to look and under what name. In telling a tale of a man's life one must separate it into boyhood, adolescence, teen years, and manhood. Poor Aragorn was already aged when he came to Bree! (But spry.) In reading his life I have come to know Elessar Tel-Contar as a friend, an example of nobility, and as a guide. Oh dear......I believe I've been ranting! EEEKkkkkkk....end...rant...! Last edited by Beruthiel : 08-28-2002 at 07:43 AM.

08-28-2002, 09:12 AM	#31
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	Beruthiel...wow, you made some great points, on how we change from young years, to teenage, to adult. People say that Strider/Aragorn/Elessar is three people, but aren't we? We are different then we were at 5 when we are 15, but most of us don't change our names. Back to the thread, I prefer Aragorn, though Strider is more interesting to read about. More angst. I probably like Aragorn best because in Lord of the Rings that is how we know him most of the time. __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

08-30-2002, 08:16 PM	#32
Elbereth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 122	Those are good points, Berthuiel and RosieCotton! Yet sometimes we like a person better at 5 than 15 (or vice versa), because we may not agree with their different personality-swings. __________________ A! Elbereth Gilithoniel! 'Fate goes ever as fate must.' Beowulf (Seamus Haney's translation) FRODO LIVES!!!

09-01-2002, 11:34 AM	#33
Celebrian Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 75	definitley Strider, he does so much more than King Elessar. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost. Tall ships and tall kings, three times three. What brought they form the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree.

10-22-2002, 01:45 PM	#34
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	King Elessar is so much more bold and noble than gloomy ole Strider who hangs around the prancing pony. But Hey! I like Aragorn better than both of them! (And Legolas better than anyone!)

10-22-2002, 01:51 PM	#35
Farath Sapling Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2	I prefer Elessar. Seems to me, he's still the same chap he was when known as Strider, but now he's that and more!

10-22-2002, 02:23 PM	#36
madeyejay Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 15	I think Aragorn embodies all of him. Aragorn is Stryder & Elessar. He has the nobility and the mystery. He also is versed in the lore of Middle Earth.

10-22-2002, 03:37 PM	#37
Elbereth Gilthoniel Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: israel Posts: 80	hhmm i like all of them. I think I like strider but only because I got usual to him. __________________ O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees, thy starlight on the Western Seas.

10-22-2002, 05:17 PM	#38
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	there is a very clear progression of Arorn throught the book. And on several occasions Strider revels himself as Elessar and Tolkien allways comented. Eg legolas sudendnally noticed how kingly he looked etc. Rember Strider is a person that has spent some 90 odd years in the wild toiling away towards the defeat of sauron. As the book goes on he does take on a lot more responsiablity as the book goes on. From been second in comand of 9 people he becomes leader of 8 then leader of 40 or so (well his own kin probably a few thousand were under his marshling of helms deep) then a whole nation. Reading what he did for gondor after the war he sounds like a spot on king as well. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

10-22-2002, 05:24 PM	#39
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	i would have to say aragorn because he is one of my faviorite characters and he is so nobil and brave! give hear.. give hear... the king has come, art thy name beith aragorn...... he he i made that up because i thought that aragorn wanted to have a song after him!

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