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Old 11-06-2002, 03:01 AM   #21
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*checks thread name* whoops, sorry! I always get carried away when talking about diacritical marks! I'll stop now (except I'm still curious if Maedhros has a Spanish language keyboard....)

And I really like Sween's comment, too - that's the feeling that I get - that the Valar sometimes just gaze at the Eldar in wonder and amazement, really enjoying that special aspect of Iluvatar's creation that they looked forward to seeing for so long.
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Old 11-11-2002, 08:48 PM   #22
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Aulë

From The Book of Lost Tales I: The Tale of the Sun and Moon
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Strange is to tell that albeit Aulë had loved the Noldoli above all the Elves and had taught them all they knew and given them great stores of wealth, now was his heart most turned against them, for he deemed them ingrate in that they had bidden him no farewell, and for their ill deeds among the Solosimpi he was grieved to the heart. "Speak not," said he, "the name of the Noldoli ever again unto me," and albeit he gave still his love to those few faithful Gnomes who remained still about his halls, yet did he name them thereafter "Eldar".
Solosimpi = Teleri
I know that Bolt is not canon, but I thought that this passage was interesting. In the Published Silmarillion or in Home, I don't remember ever reading something like it.
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As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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Old 11-12-2002, 04:40 AM   #23
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Do you think Aulë also turned against those of the Noldor who remained in Aman?
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Old 12-01-2002, 11:39 PM   #24
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Aulë in bolt, was not turned against those of the Noldoli who stayed in Valinórë.
What I find interesting, is that Manwë, while stating that he was not going to help the exiles, he was the one that sent Thorondor to help Fingon in rescuing Maedhros, in what is the greatest deed in the Silmarillion.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.”
As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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Old 12-02-2002, 12:31 AM   #25
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Aulë in bolt, was not turned against those of the Noldoli who stayed in Valinórë.
What I find interesting, is that Manwë, while stating that he was not going to help the exiles, he was the one that sent Thorondor to help Fingon in rescuing Maedhros, in what is the greatest deed in the Silmarillion.
It says in the Sil, that the Valar still had pitty for the exiled elves.
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