Christopher Lee...MAD!!!

Finrod Felagund · 11-19-2003, 12:27 PM

He's not going to the ROTK premiere because his scenes sere cut out.

Cirdan · 11-19-2003, 12:38 PM

not surprised. All his best parts have been cut out except that one, so there's little left. Maybe he was too much of a purist.

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-19-2003, 02:27 PM

I think CL is absolutely correct. For non-book people it would have been much more coherent to have the Gandalf/Theoden vs. Saruman confrontation at the beginning of ROTK. Not to mention getting the palantir.
I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason they did it was to get more people to buy the extended dvd next November.
And remember, CT really knows his LOTR. Maybe he'll now rip the wizards duel?

Oops! CT above should be CL (Christopher Lee).
Corrected after error spotted by Mithrand1r below.

mithrand1r · 11-19-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
I think CL is absolutely correct. For non-book people it would have been much more coherent to have the Gandalf/Theoden vs. Saruman confrontation at the beginning of ROTK. Not to mention getting the palantir.
I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason they did it was to get more people to buy the extended dvd next November.
And remember, CT really knows his LOTR. Maybe he'll now rip the wizards duel?

Who is CT? I can guess that CL is Christopher Lee.

I think they should have had the Gandalf/Theoden vs. Saruman confrontation in TT. Then after that go to Cirith Ungol (sp?) ending with the Sam thinking that

Frodo is dead

.

Just my 2 cents worth.

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by mithrand1r
Who is CT? I can guess that CL is Christopher Lee.

I think they should have had the Gandalf/Theoden vs. Saruman confrontation in TT. Then after that go to Cirith Ungol (sp?) ending with the Sam thinking that

Frodo is dead

.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Well that's pretty much what I thought too- but you know jackson needed his Eowyn/Arwen/Aragorn love triangle set up - not to mention the huge Helms Deep battle. All that really didn't leave much time for much else. Oh yeah - forgot about the wonderful Osgiliath scene too.

Pippin looking into the Palantir is actually one of my favorite parts of the books. I'm really disappointed they have cut this out.

Tuor of Gondolin - you see the marketing ploys they are using on the extended editions too?

Katherine · 11-20-2003, 11:53 AM

Hi ... new member here ........

Its been awhile since I read the books ... but if CL scenes were cut does that mean they are changing the ending of the book?

Beor · 11-20-2003, 11:55 AM

Yeah, I'd imagine they'd have to cut out the whole Scouring of the Shire, which seems like a ridiculous plan...

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-20-2003, 12:01 PM

Ach, that's old as old can be. The fact that the Scouring is cut is barely more disputable than the fact that Jackson has a nose.

Welcome to the 'Moot, Katherine.

Hope you have a great time here, meet plenty of new people, and all that fun stuff.

Beor · 11-20-2003, 12:03 PM

Jackson has a nose?!

I'm still upset about it (the Scouring, i dont care if the man has a nose

)

Katherine · 11-20-2003, 12:08 PM

Sorry! ....... I didn't realize that it was already known that this was cut ... we've avoided things that would clue my husband into what was coming because he hasn't read the book ....

Well I suppose for a movie it works better for a "happily ever after" ending ..........

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-20-2003, 12:12 PM

No need to apologise at all.

Elvengirl · 11-20-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Pippin looking into the Palantir is actually one of my favorite parts of the books. I'm really disappointed they have cut this out.

Do you mean they are cutting it out completely? I know I was disappointed it wasn't in TT, but they can't do that in ROTK, can they? I wouldn't be surprised, but it was one of my favs too.

I think it would would be confusing to non-book-readers not having the Gandalf/Saruman confrontation. Gandalf is going to go to Isengard to get Merry and Pippin anyway, right? And he's not going to see Saruman? It's incomplete and makes no sense. Of, course they should have included it in TT (among other things) but it should be in ROTK now. PJ screwed up with not using his time wisely and putting in scenes that really mattered, but of course we all think that right?

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-20-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Katherine
... we've avoided things that would clue my husband into what was coming because he hasn't read the book ....
_________________________________________

Hmmm. Reading the book first is a debatable point. Personally, I prefer rather have read it and had images fixed in mind before seeing it. Is there a difference in perception, evaluation of the movies by you and your husband?

P.S. Beware of entangling movie arguments between JerseyDevil and Black Breathalizer

P.P.S. I believe Christopher lee has said he's read LOTR once a year for a long time and had long-ago tentative approval by JRRT to be Gandalf in a LOTR movie.

Katherine · 11-20-2003, 12:34 PM

Jeff's a great and wonderful man ....but he doesn't read books much .... I prefer reading the books first (no matter what movie it is) so that I can get the actual concept the author had. But then I'm addicted to reading ....

I'd forgotten about Gandalf going to Isengard to get Merry and Pippin !!

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Pippin looking into the Palantir is actually one of my favorite parts of the books. I'm really disappointed they have cut this out.

They haven't it's going to be in RotK...

Elvengirl · 11-20-2003, 12:51 PM

Oh yes, reading the books first are waay better than seeing the movies. That way you get the true story fixed in your mind the way Tolkien would have wanted and you are not swayed or confused by another's interpretation. Plus books are always, always better than movies, at least IMO.

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Originally posted by Tuor of Gondolin
[BP.P.S. I believe Christopher lee has said he's read LOTR once a year for a long time and had long-ago tentative approval by JRRT to be Gandalf in a LOTR movie. [/B]

Yes I have heard the same. I think there was a discussion about whether CL would have been a better Gandalf. I personally think he's better as being Saruman.

Katherine · 11-20-2003, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Yes I have heard the same. I think there was a discussion about whether CL would have been a better Gandalf. I personally think he's better as being Saruman.

I agree ........ he has one of those "evil faces" .....

I'm just shocked really that the ending has been changed ...

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dúnedain
They haven't it's going to be in RotK...

Well that's what I originally thought - but then it seems as if what people are saying - is that he might have cut this out.

I should have said...

"I'm really disappointed IF they have cut this out."

Katherine · 11-20-2003, 01:10 PM

hmmm..... Have they cut the gathering at the western shore with Frodo and Bilbo leaving for Valinor with the elves?

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Katherine
hmmm..... Have they cut the gathering at the western shore with Frodo and Bilbo leaving for Valinor with the elves?

The Grey Havens are in - unless jackson decides to put them in the extended RotK version. He might have determined that for the theatrical version that the ending is too sad for the ignorant movie goer.

<- didn't know what feeling I should have regarding jackson.

11-19-2003, 12:27 PM	#1
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11-19-2003, 12:38 PM	#2
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	not surprised. All his best parts have been cut out except that one, so there's little left. Maybe he was too much of a purist. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

11-19-2003, 02:27 PM	#3
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	I think CL is absolutely correct. For non-book people it would have been much more coherent to have the Gandalf/Theoden vs. Saruman confrontation at the beginning of ROTK. Not to mention getting the palantir. I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason they did it was to get more people to buy the extended dvd next November. And remember, CT really knows his LOTR. Maybe he'll now rip the wizards duel? Oops! CT above should be CL (Christopher Lee). Corrected after error spotted by Mithrand1r below. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva! Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin : 11-19-2003 at 04:45 PM.

11-20-2003, 11:55 AM	#7
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	Yeah, I'd imagine they'd have to cut out the whole Scouring of the Shire, which seems like a ridiculous plan... __________________ Well, there it is.

11-20-2003, 12:01 PM	#8
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Ach, that's old as old can be. The fact that the Scouring is cut is barely more disputable than the fact that Jackson has a nose. Welcome to the 'Moot, Katherine. Hope you have a great time here, meet plenty of new people, and all that fun stuff. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle Last edited by Gwaimir Windgem : 11-20-2003 at 12:02 PM.

11-20-2003, 11:53 AM	#6
Katherine Sapling Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 8	Hi ... new member here ........ Its been awhile since I read the books ... but if CL scenes were cut does that mean they are changing the ending of the book?

11-20-2003, 12:03 PM	#9
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	Jackson has a nose?! I'm still upset about it (the Scouring, i dont care if the man has a nose ) __________________ Well, there it is.

11-20-2003, 12:08 PM	#10
Katherine Sapling Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 8	Sorry! ....... I didn't realize that it was already known that this was cut ... we've avoided things that would clue my husband into what was coming because he hasn't read the book .... Well I suppose for a movie it works better for a "happily ever after" ending ..........

11-20-2003, 12:12 PM	#11
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	No need to apologise at all. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

11-20-2003, 12:20 PM	#13
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Originally posted by Katherine ... we've avoided things that would clue my husband into what was coming because he hasn't read the book .... _________________________________________ Hmmm. Reading the book first is a debatable point. Personally, I prefer rather have read it and had images fixed in mind before seeing it. Is there a difference in perception, evaluation of the movies by you and your husband? P.S. Beware of entangling movie arguments between JerseyDevil and Black Breathalizer P.P.S. I believe Christopher lee has said he's read LOTR once a year for a long time and had long-ago tentative approval by JRRT to be Gandalf in a LOTR movie. __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

11-20-2003, 12:34 PM	#14
Katherine Sapling Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 8	Jeff's a great and wonderful man ....but he doesn't read books much .... I prefer reading the books first (no matter what movie it is) so that I can get the actual concept the author had. But then I'm addicted to reading .... I'd forgotten about Gandalf going to Isengard to get Merry and Pippin !!

11-20-2003, 01:10 PM	#19
Katherine Sapling Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 8	hmmm..... Have they cut the gathering at the western shore with Frodo and Bilbo leaving for Valinor with the elves?

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