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Lisman
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I had planned to type up some stuff on Lisman to put up here, but as it ends up I'll just start with the pantheon. Then, it turns out I'll just start with the good pantheon. ![]() ![]() Quote:
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Mermph, my documents on the evil Gods are quite inconclusive, so I'll just throw something together quickly.
![]() Vilkroth is the Black God, the First Child of Eltarn. He rebelled against Eltarn, seeking to destroy and dominate His Creation, and was cast from the Heavens. As the servants of Good were twelve in number, Eltarn decreed that the Lords of Darkness should be of the same number, and allowed Vilkroth to create elven others. He is worshipped by various peoples throughout history and space, but most noticeably by the Duorgothi, a group of Humans who have worshipped Him for a great part of the history of Lisman, and by the Cthalgar, an ancient barbarian tribe of olden days that rose to such power that they ruled over the entire North-lands; the amount of time that their rule lasted is said to be from five hundred to three thousand years. The only God who is the Son of any in a sense that we know, Vuu'ora was born from a vile union between Vilkroth and the first Queen of the Vampires. He was intended to be a figurehead to keep the powerful and arrogant Vampires in line, but proved to be stronger than was expected, and wrested His will from that of Vilkroth, proclaiming himself the God of the Vampires. None know whether he resides somewhere in the vast stretches of Lisman or in an immortal realm. Next, we come to Zharha, the greatest of the evil Powers next to Vilkroth. She is the Goddess of Spiders, Poison, and Betrayal. In form, she is like a worshipful and terrible Dark-Elf Queen from the waist up, and from the waist down like a terrible. black spider, splotched and striped with red. She is worshipped by the Dark-Elves, along with her spouse, Thuuiach. (note: the "ch" is pronounced "kh". I've been entertaining various different spellings for this, such as Thuu'iakh, Thuu-iakh, Thúiakh, Thúu'iakh. Any feedback or comments on spellings would be deeply appreciated. ![]() ![]() And there you have it, my spur of the moment Evil Gods. ![]()
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Ahh! Finally found a thread that you were probably talking about Gwai! I will read this when I'm offline.. it's too long for now. I have skimmed thru it tho, seems very good. Very long, too ( Do we have a future Tolkien here?)
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![]() ![]() ![]() Yep, you found one of them. ![]() ![]()
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Sacrilege? No... Just..ummm... So I may print it out later.....yeah...
Of course it will! 12 volumes ain't enough! Why not 13? Or more! Lisman! Where are the rest of them? |
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You certainly may.
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Under 'The Apostasy' thread. I don't really do short stories, so it's just a part of a story.
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Ahhh. I think I looked there, but got daunted by not knowing anything. (What's new?) Ok, heading over there now, then to the dark, far away library....
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So, any suggestions from anyone re: the use of Puritans and Phoenicians, and the spelling of the Dark-Elven God's name? I am especially hoping for input from IronParrot, as he certainly seems to have well-defined opinions on such matters.
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What kind of a character does this evil god have? Is he just pure evil, like Satan, or does he have a personality? Like prefering to torture or not to, or prefering to kill or not to, one form of evilness (or better yet, nonevil characteristics) over another? Those details could help someone trying to invent a name.
Also, are the names you create capable of being ramshackle collections of letters so long as they sound correct, or would you rather have purpose in them? If you'd like them to have purpose, looking in mythology books might be helpful. In Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time, his name Shaitan (The Dark One) means Satan in Arabic. |
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The relevant passage from above (the third post, wherein one may find the information I posted about all of the evil deities, the first two being devoted to the good deities):
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Pick whichever of them sounds best to you. You wanted to draw out the "u" sound in the pronunciation, so I'd discount the Thúiakh and Thúu'iakh spellings. The first one the reader might not pronounce the "u" as drawn out, and the second might confuse the reader. A "ú" right before a "u" will probably confuse some as to pronunciation.
Either of the other two would work, as far as I'm concerned. Thuuiach would work too, except for potential confusion among some of the "ch". The Thuu'iakh and Thuu-iakh seem like they get across the right pronunciation. Thuu'iakh looks better to me than Thuu-iakh because I like the apostrophe better than the slash, but that could be just me. |
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Judging from IronParrot's reaction to the wicked things, I'd say it's opinion.
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Puritans - that's fair game, but stop for a moment and ask yourself if they are in any way reminiscent of the Cromwellian Puritans. (If "Crusaders" and "Exorcists" are among the synonyms, then I'd say you're on a similar track.) If they're not, make sure you define them in such a way that they are a distinctive group, or don't use the term. But it seems like they are, so by all means, go ahead with it. It's a good earthly name. On the other hand, the proposed alternative - "Purifists" - isn't bad either if you want to sever connections to "the real world". Phoenicians - I see the derivation from "Phoenix", and that makes sense. Again, don't confuse them with the ancient Phoenicians. It's a good name, just make sure the reader isn't confused. Oh, and don't use the Order of the Phoenix, because J.K. Rowling nabbed it first ![]() What I'm saying is, if you're going to use names that are immediately recognizable to anyone familiar with world history, make sure you take that connection into consideration, and decide from there. For example, in a fantasy story, I'd be careful with using terms like "Baptist", "Aryan" or "Hittite". For example, Tolkien's "Elves" had very little to do with the diminuitive elves of fairy tales, yet he made them so distinctive and rounded as a race that it worked out fine, and he in fact created (or reintroduced) a whole other archetype of what we see as an Elf.
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Actually, Crusader isn't a synonym, quite. The Crusaders are more martial, though they use an unusual weapon, by the code of their Order. The Puritans/Exorcists (Puritans being the "politically correct" term
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Does anyone have any suggestions for another evil God? I haven't gotten any of those yet, and would greatly appreciate it.
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You want MORE evil gods?
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