pronunciation

The Lady of the Wood · 03-20-2003, 02:26 PM

im reading the sil for the 2nd time and was wondering how you pronounce the e as in manwe and ingwe and finwe?

Melko Belcha · 03-20-2003, 03:37 PM

Look in the back of the book.

The Silmarillion - Notes on Pronunciation.

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E - at the end of words is always pronounced as a distinct vowel, and in this position is written e(I have no idea how to put the dots above it). It is likewise always pronounced in the middle of words like Celeborn, Menegroth.

Dúnedain · 03-20-2003, 05:51 PM

Manwe, Pronunciation: ma'nweh soo'limoh

Ingwe, Pronunciation: ee'ngweh

Finwe, Pronunciation: finwe'h

Got that from the Encylopedia of Arda

Laurus Nobilis · 03-20-2003, 06:09 PM

Unlike in English, the last 'e' of a word is pronounced in Quenya.

Ruinel · 03-20-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by The Lady of the Wood
im reading the sil for the 2nd time and was wondering how you pronounce the e as in manwe and ingwe and finwe?

There is a section called "Note on Pronunciation" in the back of the following books:
The Silmarillion
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Appendix E)

I am not aware of any pronunciation help in any of the other books, but I don't own all of them. You can also go to www.ardalambion.com for "The tongues of Arda". There is a tutorial for Quenya and Sindarin, as well as other languages of ME.

Anor caluva tielyanna!

Falagar · 03-21-2003, 05:26 AM

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Anor caluva tielyanna!

Anor is Sindarn, Anar is Quenya...or was it a typo?

Shadowfax · 03-21-2003, 04:52 PM

manwe = man-way
ingwe = ing-way
finwe = fin-way

That's always how I've pronounced them, plus, check out the notes on pronounciation (they say to pronounce the 'e').

Radagast The Brown · 03-21-2003, 05:11 PM

I've always thought it's pronounce as :
Manve, Ingve and Finve. IN Hebrew you can't know if it's v or w, because there is no letter for 'w', and the inveters of the hebrew language had to pronounce this letter somehow. They chose the letter that says 'v' too... that what I tought until I saw the English names.

Elvedans · 03-21-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowfax
manwe = man-way
ingwe = ing-way
finwe = fin-way

That's always how I've pronounced them, plus, check out the notes on pronounciation (they say to pronounce the 'e').

I say it like that too. I always have trouble with Earendil and Earnil and Earwen though

Falagar · 03-21-2003, 05:35 PM

Manwë is not pronounced like english "-way". The ë should be pronounced. Everything is pronounced like it's written in Quenya, and it should (I think) be pronounced like "Manve[h]". I think (but I'm not sure...) that the w in earlier Quenya later became v...

Melko Belcha · 03-21-2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Dúnedain
Manwe, Pronunciation: ma'nweh soo'limoh

Ingwe, Pronunciation: ee'ngweh

Finwe, Pronunciation: finwe'h

Got that from the Encylopedia of Arda

This is how I have always heard them pronounced.

Elvedans I listened to the movie in the part where Galadriel in giving Frodo the Phial, she says 'This is the light of Earendil, our most beloved star'. It's hard to catch but I finally got it.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-21-2003, 05:44 PM

I know it's supposed the be pronounced 'e' but I always end up pronouncing it 'ey' (as in they or whey).

Ruinel · 03-21-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Anor is Sindarn, Anar is Quenya...or was it a typo?

Marlya! Ni alistima mi Quenya! Ta na typo, tunga nacca!

Ruinel · 03-21-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Manwë is not pronounced like english "-way". The ë should be pronounced. Everything is pronounced like it's written in Quenya, and it should (I think) be pronounced like "Manve[h]". I think (but I'm not sure...) that the w in earlier Quenya later became v...

Not "v"... it is pronounced with a "w" not changed to v. *puts head in hands* I'm not sure if this will help, but I'm going to try...
make an open pucker with mouth but with the lower lip slightly protruded, like you're going to say oooooh... now try to make an "H" sound with an "ooooo" after it. That is a "W" sound. It's Man-Weh, not Man-Veh.

The "e" has the little dots over it to remind you to pronounce it. It is and "e" as in the English word "end" like -eh.

Shadowfax · 03-22-2003, 03:03 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Elvedans · 03-22-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Melko Belcha

Elvedans I listened to the movie in the part where Galadriel in giving Frodo the Phial, she says 'This is the light of Earendil, our most beloved star'. It's hard to catch but I finally got it.

Yeah, she says it like "Air-rendil" but you can't always trust the movie can you? I thought it was more like "Ay-arendil" or "Ee-arendil." What about Ea on its own, as in the sea?

Melko Belcha · 03-22-2003, 04:49 PM

I hear it a little different. I don't know.
I say Eh-ah-ren-dil, Earendil
Like Eh-o-wyn, Eowyn
If I'm not right, o well, I like the way it sounds. I will give credit to the movie, they did search out for someone who know it really good.

The E at the beginning of Eowyn and Eomer is the same that I use at the end of Manwe.

Ruinel · 04-02-2003, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Melko Belcha
I hear it a little different. I don't know.
I say Eh-ah-ren-dil, Earendil
Like Eh-o-wyn, Eowyn

The "eh" and "ah" are supposed to be pronounced separately, like you have it. Like Eh-ah-rehn-dil. I think that in the movie it is actually mispronounced (Cate Blanchett, but not here fault, after all she is only an actress).

***Fat middle*** · 04-03-2003, 11:54 AM

if they're pronouncing Airendil, they're misspronouncing it.

the pronunciation of both sindar and quenya is very close to Spanish (and most latin languages).

man-way, ing-way... it's also incorrect.

Dunedain and Melko Belcha put the right pronunciations, but have in mind that the "h" doesn't sound.

Falagar · 04-03-2003, 12:50 PM

Actually, she managed to pronounce it Ërendil!

03-20-2003, 02:26 PM	#1
The Lady of the Wood Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the dark side of the moon Posts: 89	pronunciation im reading the sil for the 2nd time and was wondering how you pronounce the e as in manwe and ingwe and finwe? __________________ You can pick out actors by the glazed look that comes into their eyes when the conversation wanders away from themselves. - Michael Wilding Ah caught you smiling at me, That's the way it should be, Like a leaf is to a tree, so fine. Ah all the good times we had, I sang love songs so glad Always smiling, never sad, so fine. As we walk down the country lanes, I'll be singing a song, Hear me calling your name. Hear the wind within the trees, Telling Mother Nature 'bout you and me. "Yeah.And Grizzly Adams had a beard." 'Grizzly Adams did have a beard."

03-20-2003, 05:51 PM	#3
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Manwe, Pronunciation: ma'nweh soo'limoh Ingwe, Pronunciation: ee'ngweh Finwe, Pronunciation: finwe'h Got that from the Encylopedia of Arda __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

03-20-2003, 06:09 PM	#4
Laurus Nobilis Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 73	Unlike in English, the last 'e' of a word is pronounced in Quenya. __________________ "...So the essential Quest started at once. But I met a lot of things on the way that astonished me. Tom Bombadil I knew already; but I had never been to Bree. Strider sitting in the corner at the inn was a shock, and I had no more idea who he was than had Frodo. The Mines of Moria had been a mere name; and of Lothlórien no word had reached my mortal ears till I came there. Far away I knew there were the Horse-lords on the confines of an ancient Kingdom of Men, but Fangorn Forest was an unforeseen adventure." ~ J. R. R. Tolkien

03-21-2003, 04:52 PM	#7
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	manwe = man-way ingwe = ing-way finwe = fin-way That's always how I've pronounced them, plus, check out the notes on pronounciation (they say to pronounce the 'e'). __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

03-21-2003, 05:11 PM	#8
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I've always thought it's pronounce as : Manve, Ingve and Finve. IN Hebrew you can't know if it's v or w, because there is no letter for 'w', and the inveters of the hebrew language had to pronounce this letter somehow. They chose the letter that says 'v' too... that what I tought until I saw the English names. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-21-2003, 05:35 PM	#10
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Manwë is not pronounced like english "-way". The ë should be pronounced. Everything is pronounced like it's written in Quenya, and it should (I think) be pronounced like "Manve[h]". I think (but I'm not sure...) that the w in earlier Quenya later became v... __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

03-21-2003, 05:44 PM	#12
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I know it's supposed the be pronounced 'e' but I always end up pronouncing it 'ey' (as in they or whey). __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-22-2003, 03:03 PM	#15
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	Yeah, that's what I thought. __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

03-22-2003, 04:49 PM	#17
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	I hear it a little different. I don't know. I say Eh-ah-ren-dil, Earendil Like Eh-o-wyn, Eowyn If I'm not right, o well, I like the way it sounds. I will give credit to the movie, they did search out for someone who know it really good. The E at the beginning of Eowyn and Eomer is the same that I use at the end of Manwe. __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5) Last edited by Melko Belcha : 03-22-2003 at 04:51 PM.

04-03-2003, 11:54 AM	#19
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	if they're pronouncing Airendil, they're misspronouncing it. the pronunciation of both sindar and quenya is very close to Spanish (and most latin languages). man-way, ing-way... it's also incorrect. Dunedain and Melko Belcha put the right pronunciations, but have in mind that the "h" doesn't sound. __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

04-03-2003, 12:50 PM	#20
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Actually, she managed to pronounce it Ërendil! __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

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