Gurthang

FrodoFriend · 03-01-2003, 06:46 AM

What happened to Túrin's sword after he killed himself on it? And what about it's original twin blade, Anguirel, made from the same meteor? Were they both lost somewhere along the way?

I'm searching for an excuse to have part of either Gurthang (Anglachel) or Anguirel survive into the Third Age of Middle Earth. Is there any basis for this?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-01-2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by FrodoFriend
What happened to Túrin's sword after he killed himself on it? And what about it's original twin blade, Anguirel, made from the same meteor? Were they both lost somewhere along the way?

I'm searching for an excuse to have part of either Gurthang (Anglachel) or Anguirel survive into the Third Age of Middle Earth. Is there any basis for this?

IIRC, Gurthang was buried with Turin. As for its mate, I don't recall it being mentioned what happened to it.

Lalaith · 03-01-2003, 01:37 PM

I don't get the point of giving names to swords.

Lefty Scaevola · 03-01-2003, 02:53 PM

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I don't get the point of giving names to swords.

Besides the cultrual value of naming artifact and heirlooms, and the morale value of naming weapons (a name painted onto most mordern tanks and aircraft) it was likely important for placing spells onto the weapon to make it more effective. Much such magic in many cultures and mythologies needs a 'true name' to be effective.

Halbarad of the North · 03-26-2003, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
IIRC, Gurthang was buried with Turin. As for its mate, I don't recall it being mentioned what happened to it.

Gurthang was buried with Turin, but it also broke in two after Turin killed himself with it

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-27-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by Halbarad of the North
Gurthang was buried with Turin, but it also broke in two after Turin killed himself with it

I know that.

Lefty Scaevola · 03-27-2003, 05:55 PM

Elric of Melnibone got it.

Anglorfin · 04-10-2003, 10:25 PM

Didn't Eol himself carry the other sword? And if so I would assume it was lost in Gondolin.

Mirahzi · 04-11-2003, 12:33 AM

Anguirel, the mate of Anglachel, was stolen by Maeglin when he departed to Gondolin. It may have been lost in the fall of Gondolin or even taken from Maeglin when he was captured by the Enemy.

To answer the original query, I don't think it's likely that either survived.

Mirahzi · 04-11-2003, 12:33 AM

Double post.

Anglorfin · 04-11-2003, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Mirahzi
Anguirel, the mate of Anglachel, was stolen by Maeglin when he departed to Gondolin. It may have been lost in the fall of Gondolin or even taken from Maeglin when he was captured by the Enemy.

To answer the original query, I don't think it's likely that either survived.

Oyeah I forgot about Maeglin stealing it. I knew Eol didn't give it away though and in either case it probably was lost in Gondolin.

Lefty Scaevola · 05-16-2003, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Mirahzi
Anguirel, the mate of Anglachel, was stolen by Maeglin when he departed to Gondolin.

Stealing your father's sword is highly Oedipal.

***Rían*** · 05-16-2003, 04:18 PM

I'd say Maeglin had more than a few problems...

Anglorfin · 06-07-2003, 01:13 PM

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I'm searching for an excuse to have part of either Gurthang (Anglachel) or Anguirel survive into the Third Age of Middle Earth. Is there any basis for this?

Why not just say that Eol made more swords in secret, or kept them with the Dwarves or something.

03-01-2003, 06:46 AM	#1
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Gurthang What happened to Túrin's sword after he killed himself on it? And what about it's original twin blade, Anguirel, made from the same meteor? Were they both lost somewhere along the way? I'm searching for an excuse to have part of either Gurthang (Anglachel) or Anguirel survive into the Third Age of Middle Earth. Is there any basis for this? __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

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Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I don't get the point of giving names to swords. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-27-2003, 05:55 PM	#7
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	Elric of Melnibone got it. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

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Anglorfin Alasailon Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: college Posts: 861	Didn't Eol himself carry the other sword? And if so I would assume it was lost in Gondolin. __________________ "and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill."

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Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	Anguirel, the mate of Anglachel, was stolen by Maeglin when he departed to Gondolin. It may have been lost in the fall of Gondolin or even taken from Maeglin when he was captured by the Enemy. To answer the original query, I don't think it's likely that either survived. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor Last edited by Mirahzi : 04-11-2003 at 12:34 AM.

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Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	Double post. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

05-16-2003, 04:18 PM	#13
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