Resisting The Ring

Insidious Rex · 02-02-2003, 03:00 PM

Ok are the hobbits the best candidates for carrying the burdon of the ring because of their simplicity and lack of strength and power? They seem more resistant to its corrupting effects then any others. I mean Gandolf cant even touch it for fear of what he would end up doing with it. And Galadriel well you know how she reacts to it. Which makes it clear that the more powerful you are the more likely you are to be corrupted and the more devistating you would become. Now the elves have been able to hide their rings so obviously theres some resistance there. And the dwarves well they never really talk much about the effect of the rings on the dwarves. Would have been interesting if there were seven (7?) little dwarf nazgul running around. And the men well the men are hopeless. So it seems the hobbits are the natural candidates to resist the ring then. But then again Gollum was a hobbit like creature and looked what happened to him. So I guess my question is is it the hobbits or is it the Baggins specifically?

***azalea*** · 02-02-2003, 03:11 PM

This sounds more like a book discussion than a discussion of the movies, so I'm going to move it to the book forum.

Insidious Rex · 02-02-2003, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by azalea
This sounds more like a book discussion than a discussion of the movies, so I'm going to move it to the book forum.

good call moderator. this kind of jumped off a discussion in the movie forum so I never thought about switching it till after i posted. but anyway....

Artanis · 02-02-2003, 04:43 PM

Indeed Hobbits seem in general to be best in this matter. They are not so easily tempted by The Ring. The Ring corrupts by promising to give what the owner desires, but Hobbits do not desire much from life, only to live a simple life in peace and quiet in the Shire, with good food and drink available. All fortunes which they already have. Gandalf and Galadriel on the other hand, both desired power, for different reasons, and the dwarves have in general a desire for gold and riches.

It is interesting to see what Gandalf says about the Shire:

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Indeed there is a power in Rivendell to withstand the might of Mordor, for a while; and elsewhere other powers still dwell. There is power too, of another kind, in the Shire.

One may well interpreted this as an acknowledgement of the Hobbits' amazing ability to withstand the power of The Ring. What do you think?

Narsil's Master · 02-02-2003, 05:41 PM

I agree, hobbits are the best choice even if they are week

Dúnedain · 02-02-2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Insidious Rex
I mean Gandolf cant even touch it for fear of what he would end up doing with it.

Actually if I remember correctly, Gandalf did touch the ring in the book, just after Bilbo left. He picked it up to seal it in the envelope...

Guardian_of_the_Forest · 02-02-2003, 06:23 PM

I think it may be all hobbits that can resist it. Look at Sam. He never made an attemp to steal it.

cassiopeia · 02-02-2003, 10:14 PM

Gandalf does pick up the ring in the book (from the FOTR):

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Frodo took it from his breeches-pocket, where it was clasped to a chain that hung from his belt. He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it. Gandalf held it up.

He picks it up to throw it into the fire. Movie corruption, hey?

I agree with Artanis; that hobbits do not desire power, for the most part. We see that when Sam is tempted by the ring. He's sees himself as Samwise the Brave, but then realises that it wont happen, all he needs is his garden.

Insidious Rex · 02-02-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
Gandalf does pick up the ring in the book (from the FOTR):
He picks it up to throw it into the fire. Movie corruption, hey?

Actually that part always bothered me (from the book) because at one point he takes the ring and doesnt give a second thought to exactly what he is touching and the potential danger of handling it and then a few pages later when Frodo actually OFFERS the ring to him to take he goes into his famous "Do not tempt me!" speech as sir Ian does so well in the film and wont even take it from him. Seemed a bit of an inconsistancy there. I kind of thought the part in the film where Gandolf is alone with the ring staring at it on the floor and almost picks it up and BAM suddenly has this vision of The Eye really worked well.

But anyway, yeah I agree with you about the hobbits. Doesnt Gandolf himself say that Sauron had completely overlooked their existance because they simply didnt matter to him? But that they were all full of surprises. As soft as butter but as hard as tree roots or something like this.

cassiopeia · 02-02-2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Insidious Rex
Actually that part always bothered me (from the book) because at one point he takes the ring and doesnt give a second thought to exactly what he is touching and the potential danger of handling it and then a few pages later when Frodo actually OFFERS the ring to him to take he goes into his famous "Do not tempt me!" speech as sir Ian does so well in the film and wont even take it from him. Seemed a bit of an inconsistancy there. I kind of thought the part in the film where Gandolf is alone with the ring staring at it on the floor and almost picks it up and BAM suddenly has this vision of The Eye really worked well.

Gandalf only holds the ring for a few seconds, not enough time to be corrupted by it. In the other passage, Frodo is offering the ring to Gandalf to keep for a time, long enough for Gandalf to be corrupted by the ring. I think Gandalf means don't tempt me
to keep the ring in my possession, for in the end it will do evil through me.

Lefty Scaevola · 02-03-2003, 12:29 AM

The ring chiefly corrupts by gratifying a lust for power. Hoobit mostly (exception like Lotho) do not lust for power, they want rather another feast. Since the ring connot offer them some comestable goodies, it has a harder time corrupting them.

Wayfarer · 02-03-2003, 12:46 AM

They "cherish food and song above hoarded gold" as thorin said.

Ellison · 02-03-2003, 01:51 AM

Hobbits are indeed the best candidates, however on multiple occasions Frodo still finds himself drawn to the power of the ring. Not to mention Bilbo's longing for it.

Artanis · 02-03-2003, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Insidious Rex
But anyway, yeah I agree with you about the hobbits. Doesnt Gandolf himself say that Sauron had completely overlooked their existance because they simply didnt matter to him? But that they were all full of surprises. As soft as butter but as hard as tree roots or something like this.

Saruman didn't bother to learn about Hobbits either, which was very unwise of him. Gandalf was the only one to recognize the valour of the folk in the Shire. Well, and perhaps Tom Bombadil did. He spoke very laudably of Farmer Maggot.

About handling the Ring: Someone except Frodo must have touched the Ring during his recovery in Rivendell. When he awoke, he found that the Ring had been put on a new chain. I wonder who did that.

edit: my spelling

Insidious Rex · 02-03-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
About handling the Ring: Someone except Frodo must have touched the Ring during his recovery in Rivendell. When he awake, he found that the Ring had been put on a new chain. I wonder who did that.

Had to have been Elrond or someone under his watching. If he can succesfully hide one ring of power Im sure he could be trusted to carefully place the one ring on a new chain.

Artanis · 02-03-2003, 09:23 AM

Elrond, or perhaps Gandalf. But whoever did it, he must have felt the temptation of the Ring.

WallRocker · 02-03-2003, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Elrond, or perhaps Gandalf. But whoever did it, he must have felt the temptation of the Ring.

That would be true. Also, the Hobbits could hold out longer then most to the corruption of the Ring, but the Bagginses in paticular could. I believe Gandalf talks about this in the first book, about Gandalf and Bilbo thinking Frodo Baggins 'the best in the Shire'.

Evenstar1400 · 02-03-2003, 10:08 PM

it could be that the baggins's have that adventurous side to them. also, frodo lost his parents and was raised by bilbo, and always heard those wonderful tales of bilbos adventures. frodo almost kinda understood the dangers in middle earth, unlike some other hobbits.

FrodoFriend · 02-04-2003, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
They "cherish food and song above hoarded gold" as thorin said.

As is proper.

It just goes to show that short, fat people should not be underestimated.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Insidious Rex
And the dwarves well they never really talk much about the effect of the rings on the dwarves.

I think it says that the Rings of Power had no effect on the Dwarves but to light a consuming gold-lust in their hearts, doesn't it?

02-02-2003, 03:00 PM	#1
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	Resisting The Ring Ok are the hobbits the best candidates for carrying the burdon of the ring because of their simplicity and lack of strength and power? They seem more resistant to its corrupting effects then any others. I mean Gandolf cant even touch it for fear of what he would end up doing with it. And Galadriel well you know how she reacts to it. Which makes it clear that the more powerful you are the more likely you are to be corrupted and the more devistating you would become. Now the elves have been able to hide their rings so obviously theres some resistance there. And the dwarves well they never really talk much about the effect of the rings on the dwarves. Would have been interesting if there were seven (7?) little dwarf nazgul running around. And the men well the men are hopeless. So it seems the hobbits are the natural candidates to resist the ring then. But then again Gollum was a hobbit like creature and looked what happened to him. So I guess my question is is it the hobbits or is it the Baggins specifically? __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

02-02-2003, 05:41 PM	#5
Narsil's Master Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indian,USA Posts: 109	I agree, hobbits are the best choice even if they are week __________________ naur an edraith amen, naur dan i ngaurhoth! well your on fire now. go team fencing!!!! fingolfin rox elven sox

02-02-2003, 06:23 PM	#7
Guardian_of_the_Forest Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: A Forgotten Forest Posts: 50	I think it may be all hobbits that can resist it. Look at Sam. He never made an attemp to steal it. __________________ ~Jennie ~Lossenhyandowen ~Guardian of the Forest

02-03-2003, 12:29 AM	#11
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	The ring chiefly corrupts by gratifying a lust for power. Hoobit mostly (exception like Lotho) do not lust for power, they want rather another feast. Since the ring connot offer them some comestable goodies, it has a harder time corrupting them. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

02-03-2003, 12:46 AM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	They "cherish food and song above hoarded gold" as thorin said. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-02-2003, 03:11 PM	#2
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	This sounds more like a book discussion than a discussion of the movies, so I'm going to move it to the book forum.

02-03-2003, 09:23 AM	#16
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Elrond, or perhaps Gandalf. But whoever did it, he must have felt the temptation of the Ring. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

02-03-2003, 10:08 PM	#18
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	it could be that the baggins's have that adventurous side to them. also, frodo lost his parents and was raised by bilbo, and always heard those wonderful tales of bilbos adventures. frodo almost kinda understood the dangers in middle earth, unlike some other hobbits. __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

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