Eowyn loves Wormtongue?

Eowyn Telcontar · 01-03-2003, 01:27 AM

Okay, I know EOwyn doesn't even like Wormtongue, she hates him, but why did she look happy when he put his hand on her cheek and said somethign about how she was so beautiful yet as "cold as spring clinging to winter's chin"? I was confused.

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-03-2003, 07:22 AM

Yep, she had that 'I want you so badly look, but you are taken look, or their is a problem look'. Very strange. Let's not hope PJ goes down that path.

Elf.Freak · 01-03-2003, 07:56 AM

Maybe she's an attention seeker!

ok...so maybe i don't like Eowyn too much (she was SUPPOSED to be a brunette in the film, not blond!) but it makes you wonder...

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-03-2003, 08:35 AM

Eowyn is the best female charcter in the book and movie! That scene made me cringe, though. For a second, I thought she was going to kiss him. Miranda Otto is a lot more beautiful then Liv Tyler.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-03-2003, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Elf.Freak
Maybe she's an attention seeker!
ok...so maybe i don't like Eowyn too much (she was SUPPOSED to be a brunette in the film, not blond!) but it makes you wonder...

Legolas is supposed to be dark-haired, but I certainly don't hear you complaining about that, hm? Anyway, the Rohirrim are blond, I'm almost certain.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-03-2003, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Legolas is supposed to be dark-haired, but I certainly don't hear you complaining about that, hm? Anyway, the Rohirrim are blond, I'm almost certain.

We don't know what color Legolas' hair is supposef to be. Tolkien never says.

As for Eowyn and Grima, I think in that scene he was showing her a bit of false pity, and at first she listened because she was so grieved over the death of Theoden's son. It may have been about following up to the remark that Eomer made to Grima before that about Grima watching Eowyn's steps too much.

Blackboar · 01-03-2003, 10:55 AM

I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Legolas's hair was supposed to be brown!!

I was confused at that point of the film too Eowyn Telcontar!!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-03-2003, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Blackboar
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Legolas's hair was supposed to be brown!!

I was confused at that point of the film too Eowyn Telcontar!!

Legolas' hair color is unknown.

Sminty_Smeagol · 01-03-2003, 10:59 AM

I believe the relationship of eowyn and grima is rather disgusting. Grima is a disgusting worm (did he like eowyn in the books? I forget). Eowyn, I think by that scene, is very alone and very desperate, and yet at the same time the only thing hitting on her is one she hates. It sort of makes sense to me but its hard to explain, the impression I got from that. alternating lust/hate... well not lust exactly but you know what i mean... I mean come on she does seem very desperate.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-03-2003, 11:04 AM

It just seems as if he approached her at a very vulnerable time.

unregistered · 01-03-2003, 12:10 PM

I have to agree that it was only because he approached her at a very vulnerable time. But still I think sminty has a good point, (whered you get that name liz? I forget) she did seem very desperate.

Elfhelm · 01-03-2003, 12:31 PM

Grima is called wormtongue because he is borrowing Saruman's power of the "voice". I don't think Tolkien explains how Grima borrows this power, but it is clear that he has some sort of power of suggestion which was given so he could hypnotize Theoden. A short story by Thomas Mann that was very popular in the 30's called "Mario and the Magician" similarly criticized the power of wicked leaders over the minds of the weak, and that story also ends with ... well I won't tell.

It seemed to me that the point of that scene in the movie (it's entirely contrived in case anyone hasn't read the book) is to show Grima trying to use the power that Saruman gave him for his own gain, and to clarify his primary motive in a dramatic sense. Later we see his tearful eye when Saruman tells the Uruk-hai to kill everyone at Helm's Deep. You can almost hear him thinking that his whole reason for siding with Saruman is now useless because Saruman just ordered Eowyn's death. And this, I gather, will set up what happens next, which I won't spoil if you haven't read it.

But yeah, during that scene I was thinking, "just lift your knee very quickly!" Eowyn has always been one of my favorite characters, that's why I'm Elfhelm.

Sminty_Smeagol · 01-03-2003, 01:04 PM

I was wondering about the tear in his eye part.... It crossed my mind that it was because saruman had just ordered eowyn's death... but then he had helped plot her (and all of rohan's) death right? so i came to the conclusion that the huge armies of orcs and stuff stressed his eyes... or something... undramatic...

WallRocker · 01-03-2003, 01:12 PM

I think that PJ was just tryin gto show the effect of Wormtounge's words on diffrent people. It looked to me like Eowyn had a diffucult time resiting, but only becaues Wormtouges words were so powerful. Remember, Eowyn says 'Your words are poison' right before she pulls away.

unregistered · 01-03-2003, 01:17 PM

Maybe he was really happy, everyone was going to die, yeah

Sminty_Smeagol · 01-03-2003, 01:56 PM

I think only poopies like yourself would be crying with joy at the destruction of the human race

Shadowfax · 01-03-2003, 03:18 PM

[never mind]

Artanis · 01-03-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by WallRocker
I think that PJ was just tryin gto show the effect of Wormtounge's words on diffrent people. It looked to me like Eowyn had a diffucult time resiting, but only becaues Wormtouges words were so powerful. Remember, Eowyn says 'Your words are poison' right before she pulls away.

I agree that that's what they're trying to show in the film. I wonder why she suddenly finds the strength to resist. Perhaps it is when Wormtongue actually touches her (if memory serves me right), that she realises what he is trying to do.

Elf Girl · 01-03-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Elf.Freak
(she was SUPPOSED to be a brunette in the film, not blond!)

All the Rohirrim are blond.

unregistered · 01-03-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
I think only poopies like yourself would be crying with joy at the destruction of the human race

I'm not a poopie! lol this should probably be continued in pms...

01-03-2003, 01:27 AM	#1
Eowyn Telcontar Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 24	Eowyn loves Wormtongue? Okay, I know EOwyn doesn't even like Wormtongue, she hates him, but why did she look happy when he put his hand on her cheek and said somethign about how she was so beautiful yet as "cold as spring clinging to winter's chin"? I was confused. __________________ "Taters? What is taters precious? What is taters?" Smeagol/Gollum "PO-TAY-TOES!" Sam

01-03-2003, 07:56 AM	#3
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	Maybe she's an attention seeker! ok...so maybe i don't like Eowyn too much (she was SUPPOSED to be a brunette in the film, not blond!) but it makes you wonder... __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

01-03-2003, 11:04 AM	#10
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	It just seems as if he approached her at a very vulnerable time. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-03-2003, 12:10 PM	#11
unregistered Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 85	I have to agree that it was only because he approached her at a very vulnerable time. But still I think sminty has a good point, (whered you get that name liz? I forget) she did seem very desperate. __________________ www.pbreview.com/forums I'm old Gandalf. I know I don't look it, but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart. I feel...thin, sort of...stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread. I need a holiday, a very long holiday, and I don't expect I shall return. In fact, I mean not to.-Biblo Baggins

01-03-2003, 12:31 PM	#12
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Grima is called wormtongue because he is borrowing Saruman's power of the "voice". I don't think Tolkien explains how Grima borrows this power, but it is clear that he has some sort of power of suggestion which was given so he could hypnotize Theoden. A short story by Thomas Mann that was very popular in the 30's called "Mario and the Magician" similarly criticized the power of wicked leaders over the minds of the weak, and that story also ends with ... well I won't tell. It seemed to me that the point of that scene in the movie (it's entirely contrived in case anyone hasn't read the book) is to show Grima trying to use the power that Saruman gave him for his own gain, and to clarify his primary motive in a dramatic sense. Later we see his tearful eye when Saruman tells the Uruk-hai to kill everyone at Helm's Deep. You can almost hear him thinking that his whole reason for siding with Saruman is now useless because Saruman just ordered Eowyn's death. And this, I gather, will set up what happens next, which I won't spoil if you haven't read it. But yeah, during that scene I was thinking, "just lift your knee very quickly!" Eowyn has always been one of my favorite characters, that's why I'm Elfhelm. __________________ cya Last edited by Elfhelm : 01-03-2003 at 12:35 PM.

01-03-2003, 07:22 AM	#2
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	Yep, she had that 'I want you so badly look, but you are taken look, or their is a problem look'. Very strange. Let's not hope PJ goes down that path.

01-03-2003, 08:35 AM	#4
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	Eowyn is the best female charcter in the book and movie! That scene made me cringe, though. For a second, I thought she was going to kiss him. Miranda Otto is a lot more beautiful then Liv Tyler.

01-03-2003, 10:55 AM	#7
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Legolas's hair was supposed to be brown!! I was confused at that point of the film too Eowyn Telcontar!!

01-03-2003, 10:59 AM	#9
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I believe the relationship of eowyn and grima is rather disgusting. Grima is a disgusting worm (did he like eowyn in the books? I forget). Eowyn, I think by that scene, is very alone and very desperate, and yet at the same time the only thing hitting on her is one she hates. It sort of makes sense to me but its hard to explain, the impression I got from that. alternating lust/hate... well not lust exactly but you know what i mean... I mean come on she does seem very desperate.

01-03-2003, 01:04 PM	#13
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I was wondering about the tear in his eye part.... It crossed my mind that it was because saruman had just ordered eowyn's death... but then he had helped plot her (and all of rohan's) death right? so i came to the conclusion that the huge armies of orcs and stuff stressed his eyes... or something... undramatic...

01-03-2003, 01:12 PM	#14
WallRocker Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: At the computer... Posts: 376	I think that PJ was just tryin gto show the effect of Wormtounge's words on diffrent people. It looked to me like Eowyn had a diffucult time resiting, but only becaues Wormtouges words were so powerful. Remember, Eowyn says 'Your words are poison' right before she pulls away. __________________ Do one thing every day that scares you ~Anonymous~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><<>< <>< <>< <>< I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation UNDER GOD with liberty and justice for all

01-03-2003, 01:17 PM	#15
unregistered Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 85	Maybe he was really happy, everyone was going to die, yeah __________________ www.pbreview.com/forums I'm old Gandalf. I know I don't look it, but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart. I feel...thin, sort of...stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread. I need a holiday, a very long holiday, and I don't expect I shall return. In fact, I mean not to.-Biblo Baggins

01-03-2003, 01:56 PM	#16
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I think only poopies like yourself would be crying with joy at the destruction of the human race

01-03-2003, 03:18 PM	#17
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	[never mind] __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

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