Fav Gollum part

IluvSmeagol13 · 12-22-2002, 12:33 PM

hey everyone!what's ur fav part with gollum/smeagol in T2T?i like the parts when he's nice...gollum is sooooo cute!

Shadowfax · 12-22-2002, 03:33 PM

I loved every part with Gollum/Sméagol. I wouldn't classify him as cute though.

eowyngirl14 · 12-22-2002, 05:38 PM

I really liked the part when smeagol (the good side of Gollum) is talking to Gollum (the bad side of him). Everyone in my theater laughed, including me. but I pictured Gollum as being more bad than good, I kept thinking he was going to kill Sam and or Frodo when I first read the book.
I also like the part in the movie when Smeagol is diving in the Forbidden Pool and is eating a fish. I love the little song he sings, but the noise the fish made when he slammed it against the rock was a little gross. It made me feel sorry for the fish.

Treebeard's apprentice · 12-22-2002, 05:59 PM

I thought Gollum was a great character and I agree that he really did seem like a real 'person'. The scene where he debates with himself was amazing as far as editing/acting/telling the story.

The problem I had with him, though, was that he seemed too much like a joke. In almost every scene he was in, the whole theater was laughing at him. It's okay to have some comedy, but you need to have some pity and fear of him, too. In my opinion, there wasn't enough of that.

Sminty_Smeagol · 12-22-2002, 06:13 PM

Yeah. I think he was too comical. But maybe its the audience? I found the conversation with himself to be quite sad and pity-able... meanwhile the whole theatre was cracking up. It seemed like they definately meant for gollum to be comical in many parts... but even some parts I didn't think were comical at all, but the audience chuckled at (such as when gollum is being questioned by Faramir and he goes into a little space and is talking to himself), and I think mental illness is so looked down upon that even if you had made him schizophrenic the audience would be laughing. They think schizophrenia is funny. And they don't take it seriously.

Varda Oiolosseo · 12-22-2002, 06:26 PM

Yeah deffinately the Gollum/Smeagol scenes!!! At the end when he is going I'll take them to her.. she can kill them! That was clever! As everyone was going who's 'her' !!

Gollum was one of the best parts and I didn't find him that comical where as most people did!

***azalea*** · 12-22-2002, 09:58 PM

I agree w/ what Sminty said. I think there were parts that were meant to be humourous, but then the audience laughed at parts that I think were to show his more pitiable/ wretched side. But I think that does say something about the mass audience -- because of the nature of mass media today (how lowley or outcast characters are presented and reacted to on tv, in movies. etc.), we are conditioned to laugh at what is pitiable, rather than to feel pity. It's pretty sad. Then again, I could be completely wrong!

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-22-2002, 10:15 PM

Well, when I saw the movie, the audience was laughing at first at the Slinker/Stinker parts, but they quieted down pretty quickly. After that, I don't remember any laughter at Smeagol vs. Gollum scenes. When he sang to his fish, and called Sam "fat, stupid hobbit", sure...

Arathorn · 12-22-2002, 10:55 PM

I want one with its own AI (better than tamagochi) living in my computer screen. I should be able to choose to give him fishhh, taters, etc. If he poops or moves my folders around, I can choose to to smack him or put Sam's rope on his leg.

Back on topic:

My favorite part is when he was singing in the pool. Before that he was like a little puppy crossed with a frog.

Renille · 12-22-2002, 11:29 PM

I LOVED the conflict scenes...I at first thought there might actually have been two Gollums somehow. If you noticed, they showed the cave at a different angle behind his head with the "Gollum" and "Smeagol." That was pretty cool. But then I remembered that Gollum didn't REALLY split in half in the book...

Yeah. I loved the fish scene. It made me want to cry, I felt so sorry for him. The parts where Frodo seemed to like him better than Sam made me more aware of the Ring's power.

I think Gollum was the most well thought out character in the movie.

BeardofPants · 12-23-2002, 12:32 AM

I didn't have a problem with people laughing at Gollum/Smeagol. In the book, his character is pitiful/laughable as well. And it wasn't like everyone was raucously laughing either... more hesitant laughter.

My favourite scene is down in the forbidden pool.

Blackboar · 12-23-2002, 07:29 AM

I like all the scenes where hes doing his Slinker/stinker thing

Sminty_Smeagol · 12-23-2002, 08:37 AM

OoOoO yeah Renille... I dunno if it was in the books or not, If it was I must have forgotten about it. But when Frodo showed so much pity for Gollum when Sam didn't... It sort of reminded me that the Ring was effecting Frodo... making him a little like that.

eowyngirl14 · 12-23-2002, 11:26 AM

when frodo was saying that he had to believe that gollum/smeagol would get better, I interpretted it to mean that Frodo was afraid that he would end up like Gollum in the end. I think that Frodo needed to believe that Gollum/Smeagol could get better so that he could keep going and not give up on the spot! I am very very mad at Gollum for calling Sam a 'Stupid fat hobbit'!

Faramir Took · 12-23-2002, 11:33 AM

I though gollum was truly the star of the movie. he was great, although I think cute is stretching it just a bit.

Blackboar · 12-23-2002, 11:50 AM

I think he's cute

Sminty_Smeagol · 12-23-2002, 11:55 AM

Well *I* think Gollum is sexy... so dont even start on people who are just calling him cute!

durin's bane · 12-23-2002, 12:53 PM

I loved the part where he sings to his fish and the part where he and Sam are together.

WallRocker · 12-23-2002, 02:29 PM

I really liked the part when Golllum was in the forbidden pool. The song he sings is great

I also think the little poem he has in the Dead Marshes was done really well.

Elf.Freak · 12-24-2002, 08:22 AM

I loved the "Stupid fat hobbit!" and the bit where he was talking to himself the first time and the forbidden pool bit

12-22-2002, 12:33 PM	#1
IluvSmeagol13 Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	Fav Gollum part hey everyone!what's ur fav part with gollum/smeagol in T2T?i like the parts when he's nice...gollum is sooooo cute!

12-22-2002, 03:33 PM	#2
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	I loved every part with Gollum/Sméagol. I wouldn't classify him as cute though. __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

12-22-2002, 05:38 PM	#3
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	I really liked the part when smeagol (the good side of Gollum) is talking to Gollum (the bad side of him). Everyone in my theater laughed, including me. but I pictured Gollum as being more bad than good, I kept thinking he was going to kill Sam and or Frodo when I first read the book. I also like the part in the movie when Smeagol is diving in the Forbidden Pool and is eating a fish. I love the little song he sings, but the noise the fish made when he slammed it against the rock was a little gross. It made me feel sorry for the fish. __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

12-22-2002, 10:15 PM	#8
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Well, when I saw the movie, the audience was laughing at first at the Slinker/Stinker parts, but they quieted down pretty quickly. After that, I don't remember any laughter at Smeagol vs. Gollum scenes. When he sang to his fish, and called Sam "fat, stupid hobbit", sure... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

12-22-2002, 10:55 PM	#9
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I want one with its own AI (better than tamagochi) living in my computer screen. I should be able to choose to give him fishhh, taters, etc. If he poops or moves my folders around, I can choose to to smack him or put Sam's rope on his leg. Back on topic: My favorite part is when he was singing in the pool. Before that he was like a little puppy crossed with a frog. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 12-22-2002 at 10:57 PM.

12-22-2002, 05:59 PM	#4
Treebeard's apprentice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 207	I thought Gollum was a great character and I agree that he really did seem like a real 'person'. The scene where he debates with himself was amazing as far as editing/acting/telling the story. The problem I had with him, though, was that he seemed too much like a joke. In almost every scene he was in, the whole theater was laughing at him. It's okay to have some comedy, but you need to have some pity and fear of him, too. In my opinion, there wasn't enough of that.

12-22-2002, 06:13 PM	#5
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Yeah. I think he was too comical. But maybe its the audience? I found the conversation with himself to be quite sad and pity-able... meanwhile the whole theatre was cracking up. It seemed like they definately meant for gollum to be comical in many parts... but even some parts I didn't think were comical at all, but the audience chuckled at (such as when gollum is being questioned by Faramir and he goes into a little space and is talking to himself), and I think mental illness is so looked down upon that even if you had made him schizophrenic the audience would be laughing. They think schizophrenia is funny. And they don't take it seriously.

12-22-2002, 06:26 PM	#6
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	Yeah deffinately the Gollum/Smeagol scenes!!! At the end when he is going I'll take them to her.. she can kill them! That was clever! As everyone was going who's 'her' !! Gollum was one of the best parts and I didn't find him that comical where as most people did!

12-22-2002, 09:58 PM	#7
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I agree w/ what Sminty said. I think there were parts that were meant to be humourous, but then the audience laughed at parts that I think were to show his more pitiable/ wretched side. But I think that does say something about the mass audience -- because of the nature of mass media today (how lowley or outcast characters are presented and reacted to on tv, in movies. etc.), we are conditioned to laugh at what is pitiable, rather than to feel pity. It's pretty sad. Then again, I could be completely wrong!

12-22-2002, 11:29 PM	#10
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	I LOVED the conflict scenes...I at first thought there might actually have been two Gollums somehow. If you noticed, they showed the cave at a different angle behind his head with the "Gollum" and "Smeagol." That was pretty cool. But then I remembered that Gollum didn't REALLY split in half in the book... Yeah. I loved the fish scene. It made me want to cry, I felt so sorry for him. The parts where Frodo seemed to like him better than Sam made me more aware of the Ring's power. I think Gollum was the most well thought out character in the movie. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

12-23-2002, 12:32 AM	#11
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I didn't have a problem with people laughing at Gollum/Smeagol. In the book, his character is pitiful/laughable as well. And it wasn't like everyone was raucously laughing either... more hesitant laughter. My favourite scene is down in the forbidden pool. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-23-2002, 07:29 AM	#12
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	I like all the scenes where hes doing his Slinker/stinker thing

12-23-2002, 08:37 AM	#13
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	OoOoO yeah Renille... I dunno if it was in the books or not, If it was I must have forgotten about it. But when Frodo showed so much pity for Gollum when Sam didn't... It sort of reminded me that the Ring was effecting Frodo... making him a little like that.

12-23-2002, 11:26 AM	#14
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	when frodo was saying that he had to believe that gollum/smeagol would get better, I interpretted it to mean that Frodo was afraid that he would end up like Gollum in the end. I think that Frodo needed to believe that Gollum/Smeagol could get better so that he could keep going and not give up on the spot! I am very very mad at Gollum for calling Sam a 'Stupid fat hobbit'! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

12-23-2002, 11:33 AM	#15
Faramir Took Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Beacon Falls CT Posts: 19	gollum the great I though gollum was truly the star of the movie. he was great, although I think cute is stretching it just a bit. __________________ Faramir son of Peregrin

12-23-2002, 11:50 AM	#16
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	I think he's cute

12-23-2002, 11:55 AM	#17
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Well I think Gollum is sexy... so dont even start on people who are just calling him cute!

12-23-2002, 12:53 PM	#18
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	I loved the part where he sings to his fish and the part where he and Sam are together. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

12-23-2002, 02:29 PM	#19
WallRocker Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: At the computer... Posts: 376	I really liked the part when Golllum was in the forbidden pool. The song he sings is great I also think the little poem he has in the Dead Marshes was done really well. __________________ Do one thing every day that scares you ~Anonymous~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><<>< <>< <>< <>< I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation UNDER GOD with liberty and justice for all

12-24-2002, 08:22 AM	#20
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	I loved the "Stupid fat hobbit!" and the bit where he was talking to himself the first time and the forbidden pool bit __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

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