The Lay of Lethien

08-03-2001, 03:28 AM

In the battle of songs of power between Sauron and Finrod, why does it say at the end: "The captives sad in Angband mourn?" I thought that they were in Tol-In-Gaurhoth FKA Minus Tirith on Tol Sirion.

adanedhel · 08-11-2001, 01:59 PM

You are right, but Sauron was just singing of many of the tribulations of the Noldor....the kin-slaying, the crossing of the ice...and the many elves that were imprisoned in Angband after Dagor Bragollach.

jediguy · 08-11-2001, 06:15 PM

Just a question - in which book can I find the Lay of Leithian?

Lord Theseus · 08-11-2001, 10:18 PM

I think it's in the 1st book of Lost tales.
But don't take my word for it.
That book is part of a 10 book series thats called the History of MIddle Earth(HoME). If you're a big tolkien fan..its a good idea to read those.(They're slightly complicated with terminology and etc.)

jediguy · 08-12-2001, 01:24 AM

Ah. Thanks.

I've only got book 4 & 5 of HomE.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 08-12-2001, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by jediguy
Just a question - in which book can I find the Lay of Leithian?

Fancey meeting you here jediguy. I really don't know where you can find the Lay in its intirety, but the part I am refering to is in the Silmarillion.You probably already know that though.

***Fat middle*** · 08-12-2001, 05:18 PM

i think that the original is in the 3rd book of HOME, but i haven't read it.

jediguy · 08-12-2001, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Fancey meeting you here jediguy. I really don't know where you can find the Lay in its intirety, but the part I am refering to is in the Silmarillion.You probably already know that though.

Yeah. The Silmarillion part is only a small part of the Lay. It also gives many hints to how big the Lay is, so I was interested in reading it.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 08-12-2001, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by jediguy

Yeah. The Silmarillion part is only a small part of the Lay. It also gives many hints to how big the Lay is, so I was interested in reading it.

I understand it to be sizeable. I wonder if it is posted on the net anywhere.

easterlinge · 08-14-2001, 12:22 AM

Try getting a book called "The Lays of Beleriand". I think the Lay of Leithian is in there. But Tolkien never finished it, He only got as far as when Beren and Luthien left Angband, Beren minus his hand .... but still that is a lot !!

Ñólendil · 08-14-2001, 05:21 PM

Don't forget that that Lay of Leithian is from the old mythology, before there was a Middle-earth.

There's 12 HoMe books: The Book of Lost Tales 1, The Book of Lost Tales 2, The Lays of Beleriand, The Shaping of Middle-earth, The Lost Road And Other Writings, The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring, Sauron Defeated, Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels and The Peoples of Middle-earth.

jediguy · 08-15-2001, 07:22 AM

BTW - If anyone's interested in reading it online, the link is:

http://hem.passagen.se/cirdan/leithian.html

olorin · 08-30-2001, 12:19 AM

Most certainly read the lay of leithian. It is absolutely beautiful-over 4000 lines of epic poetry, but it really is very easy to understand.

08-03-2001, 03:28 AM	#1
Sister Golden Hair Guest Posts: n/a	The Lay of Lethien In the battle of songs of power between Sauron and Finrod, why does it say at the end: "The captives sad in Angband mourn?" I thought that they were in Tol-In-Gaurhoth FKA Minus Tirith on Tol Sirion.

08-11-2001, 01:59 PM	#2
adanedhel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chigago, IL Posts: 40	You are right, but Sauron was just singing of many of the tribulations of the Noldor....the kin-slaying, the crossing of the ice...and the many elves that were imprisoned in Angband after Dagor Bragollach. __________________ "Say this to Manwe Sulimo, High King of Arda: if Feanor cannot overthrow Morgoth, at least he delays not to assail him, and sits not idle in grief. And it may be that Eru has set in me a fire greater than thou knowest." Feanor

08-12-2001, 05:18 PM	#7
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	i think that the original is in the 3rd book of HOME, but i haven't read it. __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

08-14-2001, 05:21 PM	#11
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Don't forget that that Lay of Leithian is from the old mythology, before there was a Middle-earth. There's 12 HoMe books: The Book of Lost Tales 1, The Book of Lost Tales 2, The Lays of Beleriand, The Shaping of Middle-earth, The Lost Road And Other Writings, The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring, Sauron Defeated, Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels and The Peoples of Middle-earth. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

08-30-2001, 12:19 AM	#13
olorin Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 38	Most certainly read the lay of leithian. It is absolutely beautiful-over 4000 lines of epic poetry, but it really is very easy to understand. __________________ All that's gold does not glitter Not all who wander are lost The old that is strong does not wither Deep roots are not reached by the frost.....

08-11-2001, 06:15 PM	#3
jediguy Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 40	Just a question - in which book can I find the Lay of Leithian?

08-11-2001, 10:18 PM	#4
Lord Theseus Sapling Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8	I think it's in the 1st book of Lost tales. But don't take my word for it. That book is part of a 10 book series thats called the History of MIddle Earth(HoME). If you're a big tolkien fan..its a good idea to read those.(They're slightly complicated with terminology and etc.)

08-12-2001, 01:24 AM	#5
jediguy Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 40	Ah. Thanks. I've only got book 4 & 5 of HomE.

08-14-2001, 12:22 AM	#10
easterlinge Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Farthest Khand, the darkest East... Posts: 442	Try getting a book called "The Lays of Beleriand". I think the Lay of Leithian is in there. But Tolkien never finished it, He only got as far as when Beren and Luthien left Angband, Beren minus his hand .... but still that is a lot !!

08-15-2001, 07:22 AM	#12
jediguy Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 40	BTW - If anyone's interested in reading it online, the link is: http://hem.passagen.se/cirdan/leithian.html