It's that old

afro-elf · 12-06-2002, 12:10 AM

Check out this Old English poem and see if you guess what it has become today. The answer is at the bottom

Incipit gestis Rudolphi rangifer tarandus

Hwæt, Hrodulf readnosa hrandeor --
Næfde þæt nieten unsciende næsðyrlas!
Glitenode and gladode godlice nosgrisele.
Ða hofberendas mid huscwordum hine gehefigodon;
Nolden þa geneatas Hrodulf næftig
To gomene hraniscum geador ætsomne.
Þa in Cristesmæsseæfne stormigum clommum,
Halga Claus þæt gemunde to him maðelode:
"Neahfreond nihteage nosubeorhtende!
Min hroden hrædwæn gelæd ðu, Hrodulf!"
Ða gelufodon hira laddeor þa lyftflogan --
Wæs glædnes and gliwdream; hornede sum gegieddode
"Hwæt, Hrodulf readnosa hrandeor,
Brad springð þin blæd: breme eart þu!"

Hrodulf the Red-Nosed Reindeer (Modern English translation)
Here begins the deeds of Rudolph, Tundra-Wanderer

Lo, Hrodulf the red-nosed reindeer --
That beast didn't have unshiny nostrils!
The goodly nose-cartilage glittered and glowed.
The hoof-bearers taunted him with proud words;
The comrades wouldn't allow wretched Hrodulf
To join the reindeer games.
Then, on Christmas Eve bound in storms
Santa Claus remembered that, spoke formally to him:
"Dear night-sighted friend, nose-bright one!
You, Hrodulf, shall lead my adorned rapid-wagon!"
Then the sky-flyers praised their lead-deer --
There was gladness and music; one of the horned ones sang
"Lo, Hrodulf the red-nosed reindeer,
Your fame spreads broadly, you are renowned!"

and as we know it today
Rudolf the Red-nosed Reindeer

Rudolf, the red-nosed reindeer
had a very shiny nose.
And if you ever saw him,
you would even say it glows.

All of the other reindeer
used to laugh and call him names.
They never let poor Rudolf
play in any reindeer games.

Then one foggy Christmas eve
Santa came to say:
"Rudolf with your nose so bright,
won't you guide my sleigh tonight?"

Then all the reindeer loved him
as they shouted out with glee:
"Rudolf the red-nosed reindeer,
you'll go down in history!"

Nibs · 12-06-2002, 12:38 AM

Whoah. Flashback.

First grade, little green tights... a dark crimson and forest-green day with bells and sugar cookies in the life of this Elf Lord.

Luckily, I don't think any pictures exist of the incident. You didn't read this post.

Nibs · 12-06-2002, 01:05 AM

Besides that, it is interesting... did you get it at first, afro-elf? I didn't, and I feel like banging my head on the keyboard after missing "Rudolphi" and other giveaways.

Elf.Freak · 12-06-2002, 12:34 PM

i agree, that IS old!

***Khamûl*** · 12-06-2002, 05:48 PM

I got it, but I think that's a (rather good) hoax. According to various sources, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was written in 1949 by Johnny Marks. Someone sure took a lot of time to figure all that out in Old English.

Elfhelm · 12-06-2002, 05:56 PM

Happy Hagla Claus Day! Hwaet!

Not sure but it looks more like pidgin OE.

afro-elf · 12-06-2002, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Khamûl
I got it, but I think that's a (rather good) hoax. According to various sources, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was written in 1949 by Johnny Marks. Someone sure took a lot of time to figure all that out in Old English.

The SONG that we sing is from 49 but the tale is older

BeardofPants · 12-06-2002, 11:50 PM

So where are your sources then, A-E? I'm rather doubtful myself.

Shadowfax · 12-07-2002, 12:21 PM

Yeah, let's see some proof that the story's that old...I personally doubt it but, hey...

Blackboar · 12-07-2002, 05:56 PM

um wow

I don't know what to say!

galadriel · 12-07-2002, 11:14 PM

Cute....

Unfortunately, my head is full of useless information. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was written in the 20th century as a department store advertisement, I think.

Nibs · 12-07-2002, 11:30 PM

A couple of interesting sites from a quick search:

http://clemsonews.clemson.edu/WWW_re..._Folklore.html

http://www.christmaspast.info/storie...ry/rudolf.html

And by "interesting", I mean freakin' weird... where do they get the time for this? Then again, where do I get the time for this?

afro-elf · 12-08-2002, 12:56 AM

Recant

It was an Old English translation similar to the Latin for All occasions

Nibs · 12-08-2002, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
It was an Old English translation similar to the Latin for All occasions

...meaning...?

Nibs · 12-08-2002, 10:42 AM

It's not real? Well, I still like the line

"You, Hrodulf, shall lead my adorned rapid-wagon!"

afro-elf · 12-08-2002, 07:07 PM

Yeah, someone just translated it into O.E.

jerseydevil · 12-09-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
Yeah, someone just translated it into O.E.

I was going to say - considering that it mentions Santa Claus and he wasn't around back then either.

I got it from the Old English title - "Incipit gestis Rudolphi rangifer tarandus"

afro-elf · 12-09-2002, 07:34 PM

Quote:

was going to say - considering that it mentions Santa Claus and he wasn't around back then either.

I was thinking that they just used Santa Claus instead of saint Nicholas.

***Khamûl*** · 12-09-2002, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
Hwæt,

Isn't that the first word of Beowulf in Old English?

jerseydevil · 12-11-2002, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
I was thinking that they just used Santa Claus instead of saint Nicholas.

But even Saint Nicholas doesn't fall in Old English timeframe. -

I guess he was around at that time - there are so many Saint Nicholas' in the Catholic Church - Saint Nicholas, Bishop of Myra. He was around in 280AD. It's still way before the north pole, gift giving and all that got associated with his name though.

The gift giving is associated with this saint - Saint Nicholas, Gift-Bearer to Europeans

Quote:

During the years between my death and the twelfth century I was loved by many Europeans, but not as the gift-bearer that I have become. I was hailed as a "Miracle Maker", as the Russians called me. It was not until the 1300s in France that I began giving gifts. It was then that the modern myths about me began.

12-06-2002, 12:10 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	It's that old Check out this Old English poem and see if you guess what it has become today. The answer is at the bottom Incipit gestis Rudolphi rangifer tarandus Hwæt, Hrodulf readnosa hrandeor -- Næfde þæt nieten unsciende næsðyrlas! Glitenode and gladode godlice nosgrisele. Ða hofberendas mid huscwordum hine gehefigodon; Nolden þa geneatas Hrodulf næftig To gomene hraniscum geador ætsomne. Þa in Cristesmæsseæfne stormigum clommum, Halga Claus þæt gemunde to him maðelode: "Neahfreond nihteage nosubeorhtende! Min hroden hrædwæn gelæd ðu, Hrodulf!" Ða gelufodon hira laddeor þa lyftflogan -- Wæs glædnes and gliwdream; hornede sum gegieddode "Hwæt, Hrodulf readnosa hrandeor, Brad springð þin blæd: breme eart þu!" Hrodulf the Red-Nosed Reindeer (Modern English translation) Here begins the deeds of Rudolph, Tundra-Wanderer Lo, Hrodulf the red-nosed reindeer -- That beast didn't have unshiny nostrils! The goodly nose-cartilage glittered and glowed. The hoof-bearers taunted him with proud words; The comrades wouldn't allow wretched Hrodulf To join the reindeer games. Then, on Christmas Eve bound in storms Santa Claus remembered that, spoke formally to him: "Dear night-sighted friend, nose-bright one! You, Hrodulf, shall lead my adorned rapid-wagon!" Then the sky-flyers praised their lead-deer -- There was gladness and music; one of the horned ones sang "Lo, Hrodulf the red-nosed reindeer, Your fame spreads broadly, you are renowned!" and as we know it today Rudolf the Red-nosed Reindeer Rudolf, the red-nosed reindeer had a very shiny nose. And if you ever saw him, you would even say it glows. All of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names. They never let poor Rudolf play in any reindeer games. Then one foggy Christmas eve Santa came to say: "Rudolf with your nose so bright, won't you guide my sleigh tonight?" Then all the reindeer loved him as they shouted out with glee: "Rudolf the red-nosed reindeer, you'll go down in history!" __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-06-2002, 12:38 AM	#2
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Re: It's that old Whoah. Flashback. First grade, little green tights... a dark crimson and forest-green day with bells and sugar cookies in the life of this Elf Lord. Luckily, I don't think any pictures exist of the incident. You didn't read this post. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

12-06-2002, 01:05 AM	#3
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Besides that, it is interesting... did you get it at first, afro-elf? I didn't, and I feel like banging my head on the keyboard after missing "Rudolphi" and other giveaways. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

12-06-2002, 12:34 PM	#4
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	i agree, that IS old! __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

12-06-2002, 05:48 PM	#5
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	I got it, but I think that's a (rather good) hoax. According to various sources, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was written in 1949 by Johnny Marks. Someone sure took a lot of time to figure all that out in Old English. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

12-06-2002, 05:56 PM	#6
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Happy Hagla Claus Day! Hwaet! Not sure but it looks more like pidgin OE. __________________ cya

12-06-2002, 11:50 PM	#8
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	So where are your sources then, A-E? I'm rather doubtful myself. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-07-2002, 12:21 PM	#9
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	Yeah, let's see some proof that the story's that old...I personally doubt it but, hey... __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

12-07-2002, 05:56 PM	#10
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	um wow I don't know what to say!

12-07-2002, 11:14 PM	#11
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	Cute.... Unfortunately, my head is full of useless information. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was written in the 20th century as a department store advertisement, I think. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

12-07-2002, 11:30 PM	#12
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	A couple of interesting sites from a quick search: http://clemsonews.clemson.edu/WWW_re..._Folklore.html http://www.christmaspast.info/storie...ry/rudolf.html And by "interesting", I mean freakin' weird... where do they get the time for this? Then again, where do I get the time for this? __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

12-08-2002, 12:56 AM	#13
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Recant It was an Old English translation similar to the Latin for All occasions __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-08-2002, 10:42 AM	#15
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	It's not real? Well, I still like the line "You, Hrodulf, shall lead my adorned rapid-wagon!" __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

12-08-2002, 07:07 PM	#16
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Yeah, someone just translated it into O.E. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.