Cirdan

Millane · 09-30-2002, 03:38 AM

In the introduction to the movie when Galadriel is narrating you have a glimpse of the 3 elves with there rings. i recognise Gil-galad and Galadriel but is the other elf Cirdan??? He looks very old for an Elf.
ta

Black Breathalizer · 09-30-2002, 08:25 AM

Yes, the third elf is Cirdan from the Grey Havens. Later he gives his ring to Gandalf.

Cirdan · 09-30-2002, 08:48 AM

He got cut out of the concil with Elrond and Isildur about destroying the ring, though.

***Rían*** · 09-30-2002, 04:01 PM

But he sent a representative - Galdor of the Havens. At least I assume he was from Cirdan. Cirdan was probably too busy overhauling keels and whatever to come himself.

Cirdan · 09-30-2002, 04:10 PM

In the retelling of the story of Isildur the council of Elrond to Isildur occurs in Mt. Doom. In theSilmarillion it says that Cirdan was there as well (and fought as well, too). Can't seem to get away what with all these elves wanting to go west. Barnacles!

Millane · 10-01-2002, 06:14 AM

thanks for the confirmation guys and now one more question why did cirdan give Narya to gandalf to mind??? like was it before Cirdan went into battle or something?
ta

northsuperior · 10-01-2002, 11:38 AM

some hepl with that one, from one steeped in the booklore of JRRT.

Cirdan gave it to gandalf upon Gandalfs arrival to middle earth from Valinor,.
"but cirdan form there first meeting at the grey havens divined in him the greatest spirit and the wisest; and he welcomed him in reverence , and gave to his keeping the third ring narya the red."

"for,' said he "great labours and perils lie before you, and lest your task prove too great and wearisome, take this ring for your aid and comfort. It was entrused to me only to keep secret," {( by gil-galad)}"and here upon the west-shores it has been idle; but i deem that in the days ere long to come it should be in nobler hands than mine, that may wield it for the kindling of all hearts to courage."

this excerpt can be found in unfinished tales " the istari" paragraph 5 &6
sorry for any typos......

and indeed he does use it, with theoden it seems especially. yet I wonder in the book when saruman imprisoned Gandalf in Orthanc why didnt he take it from him????

***Rían*** · 10-01-2002, 12:07 PM

Maybe he couldn't see it - like Sam couldn't see Galadriel's ring, but Frodo could, because he was a ringbearer. Just a quick guess...

Snowdog · 10-01-2002, 12:14 PM

Sarumann was quick tempered and was bent on the one ring, hence no body-cavity search of Gandalf because he never suspected him of having the One Ring. I think Gandalf kept it well concealed in mind and physically.

09-30-2002, 03:38 AM	#1
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	Cirdan In the introduction to the movie when Galadriel is narrating you have a glimpse of the 3 elves with there rings. i recognise Gil-galad and Galadriel but is the other elf Cirdan??? He looks very old for an Elf. ta

09-30-2002, 08:48 AM	#3
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	He got cut out of the concil with Elrond and Isildur about destroying the ring, though. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

09-30-2002, 04:01 PM	#4
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	But he sent a representative - Galdor of the Havens. At least I assume he was from Cirdan. Cirdan was probably too busy overhauling keels and whatever to come himself. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

09-30-2002, 04:10 PM	#5
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	In the retelling of the story of Isildur the council of Elrond to Isildur occurs in Mt. Doom. In theSilmarillion it says that Cirdan was there as well (and fought as well, too). Can't seem to get away what with all these elves wanting to go west. Barnacles! __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

10-01-2002, 11:38 AM	#7
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	Cirdan gandlf and narya some hepl with that one, from one steeped in the booklore of JRRT. Cirdan gave it to gandalf upon Gandalfs arrival to middle earth from Valinor,. "but cirdan form there first meeting at the grey havens divined in him the greatest spirit and the wisest; and he welcomed him in reverence , and gave to his keeping the third ring narya the red." "for,' said he "great labours and perils lie before you, and lest your task prove too great and wearisome, take this ring for your aid and comfort. It was entrused to me only to keep secret," {( by gil-galad)}"and here upon the west-shores it has been idle; but i deem that in the days ere long to come it should be in nobler hands than mine, that may wield it for the kindling of all hearts to courage." this excerpt can be found in unfinished tales " the istari" paragraph 5 &6 sorry for any typos...... and indeed he does use it, with theoden it seems especially. yet I wonder in the book when saruman imprisoned Gandalf in Orthanc why didnt he take it from him????

09-30-2002, 08:25 AM	#2
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Yes, the third elf is Cirdan from the Grey Havens. Later he gives his ring to Gandalf.

10-01-2002, 06:14 AM	#6
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	thanks for the confirmation guys and now one more question why did cirdan give Narya to gandalf to mind??? like was it before Cirdan went into battle or something? ta

10-01-2002, 12:07 PM	#8
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Maybe he couldn't see it - like Sam couldn't see Galadriel's ring, but Frodo could, because he was a ringbearer. Just a quick guess... __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

10-01-2002, 12:14 PM	#9
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	Sarumann was quick tempered and was bent on the one ring, hence no body-cavity search of Gandalf because he never suspected him of having the One Ring. I think Gandalf kept it well concealed in mind and physically. __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

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