Rekindling of The Two Trees of Valinor?

Sminty_Smeagol · 09-06-2002, 11:18 AM

I was reading the Book of Lost Tales 1, and on p. 200 I found this: "...Many things shall be done and come to pass, and the Gods shall grow old, and the Elves come nigh to fading, ere ye shall see the rekindling of these Trees {telperion and laurelin}..." Did this concept carry through to LOTR? If so, wouldn't the Two Trees we rekindled around LOTR because the Elves are fading then...

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UnStashable · 09-06-2002, 03:00 PM

Only the Elves in Middle Earth were faiding not the ones in Valinor and Tol Erresa. At least as far aw we can guess

***Khamûl*** · 09-06-2002, 06:18 PM

Book of Lost Tales, you say? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Book of Lost Tales was a separate mythology than that of LotR and the Silmarillion. If that's true, Tolkien might have changed his mind later on in the LotR mythology.

TinuvielChild · 09-06-2002, 06:39 PM

I haven't read Lost Tales. Methinks I ought to do so sometime in the near future, hmm? Interesting idea, though.

By the way, Khamul, I love your signature!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-06-2002, 07:12 PM

BoLTs is the old mythology. Certian things from it have been incorperated into the mythology that we know as LotRs and the Sil. Tolkien changed his mind about many things, many times throughout the course of these myths, but they are absolutely and intirely seperate.

Sminty_Smeagol · 09-06-2002, 09:34 PM

I was wondering if that theory of the two trees lasted through to the final version of the mythologies? It might just be unmentioned in LOTR since LOTR is told from individual characters' perceptions and since none of them tell of Valinor I suppose we wouldn't know anyways...

-~*Smintz

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Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Rekindling of The Two Trees of Valinor? I was reading the Book of Lost Tales 1, and on p. 200 I found this: "...Many things shall be done and come to pass, and the Gods shall grow old, and the Elves come nigh to fading, ere ye shall see the rekindling of these Trees {telperion and laurelin}..." Did this concept carry through to LOTR? If so, wouldn't the Two Trees we rekindled around LOTR because the Elves are fading then... -~Sminty~-

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*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Book of Lost Tales, you say? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Book of Lost Tales was a separate mythology than that of LotR and the Silmarillion. If that's true, Tolkien might have changed his mind later on in the LotR mythology. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

09-06-2002, 06:39 PM	#4
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	I haven't read Lost Tales. Methinks I ought to do so sometime in the near future, hmm? Interesting idea, though. By the way, Khamul, I love your signature! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

09-06-2002, 09:34 PM	#6
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I know... I was wondering if that theory of the two trees lasted through to the final version of the mythologies? It might just be unmentioned in LOTR since LOTR is told from individual characters' perceptions and since none of them tell of Valinor I suppose we wouldn't know anyways... -~*Smintz

09-06-2002, 07:12 PM	#5
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	BoLTs is the old mythology. Certian things from it have been incorperated into the mythology that we know as LotRs and the Sil. Tolkien changed his mind about many things, many times throughout the course of these myths, but they are absolutely and intirely seperate.

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