Would tolkien agree???

Frodo1990 · 08-27-2002, 09:51 AM

Would tolkien agree of making the Lord Of The Rings movie??

LuthienTinuviel · 08-27-2002, 11:49 AM

Depends on how it was done i suppose. i don't think anyone but toddlers approved of the Bashki (sp?) version. But the current is still pretty good. Well at least i approve.
But then in a few years or maybe in a decade or two we'll be able to do even better, and everyone will approve. Or hey- maybe they will find a cure for death, and Tolkien can come back to life and tell us everything.

RosieCotton · 08-27-2002, 12:16 PM

It's sort of hard to tell. I have to agree with you LuthienTinuviel, this version, would, I believe be easier to accept for Tolkien.

Play Girl · 08-27-2002, 01:46 PM

I dont think he would. He would certainly endorse the making of a movie but I think he would want to change too many things - "What do you mean they cut out Bombadill!"
This movie is PJ's image of Middle Earth not Tolkien's. But then again we will never know if Tolkien would have loved it and gone out and bought an Orc action figure.
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Sween · 08-27-2002, 02:04 PM

Im sure tolkien woulf of appreciated the something like 900% increase in sales of his books. He said once i think that they could cut tom in a movie as it does not make sence. If he was alive today i think he would also accept Arwen.

It depends on weather he understood movies no doubt he understood books but what makes a good movie and what makes a book are two diffrent things.

Urksnik the Sleek · 08-27-2002, 03:18 PM

I suspect that Tolkien would have wanted some form of artistic or production say in any film made during his life.
At least if that had happened, it would have silenced at least some of the critics.

LuthienTinuviel · 08-27-2002, 03:57 PM

i think that this can bring up another question, would we be able to debate things like arwen or even the elvish saddle, or beard thing?

Rána Eressëa · 08-27-2002, 06:33 PM

Wow, that's a tough one. I'm hoping Tolkien would love it considering how much effort these people put into making it come alive. I think he would appreciate it to some extent, but some things might make him a little upset or probably just make him laugh.

Sween · 08-27-2002, 06:37 PM

i heard once he was a bit of a ****. So he probably would of loved it

. The best way to judge this is by the reaction of his son hmmmmmmm we are still waiting for comment

Entlover · 08-27-2002, 07:50 PM

There's somewhere in his Letters where he says a play of the LotR could not be made, and I can't remember the reason but it was something that time has made irrelevant. Perhaps it was that the special effects would be cheesy -- or that the distances involved could not be shown adequately -- whatever it was, the passage of time and innovation in special effects has made his concern irrelevant.
I think he would be thrilled with the job PJ has done. How cool to see your characters come to life!

Laurelyn · 08-27-2002, 08:03 PM

"How cool to see your characters come to life."
I don't know about that . . . once the necessary changes have been made to adapt them to the screen, are they really still his beautiful realities, or PJ's interpretations?
He would understand most of the changes that were made, I believe, because really many of the fan-hated alterations had to be done to make rhe movie a good one. Surely, he'd be smart enough to deal with the fact that what works on paper don't always work on the ol' silver screen. As for some of the holly-woody changes, that's what people expect, and to succeed one must use what they are given -- it's what many people want. PJ and crew want to A) make a lot of money and B) cater to his fans as best he can.
It's a good movie, yes. It's not exactly Tolkien's Middle Earth, but it's a good movie. But that of it which is middle earth comes very close - close as a movie can -- to the beauty of the written Arda. I think he would appreciate that.

Entlover · 08-27-2002, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by Laurelyn
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. . . once the necessary changes have been made to adapt them to the screen, are they really still his beautiful realities, or PJ's interpretations? [/B]

It doesn't matter. Without Tolkien's invention, these characters would not exist. PJ would be adapting Stephen King's novels, or something else. PJ's Middle Earth has Tolkien's ME as an essential foundation.

BeardofPants · 08-28-2002, 01:37 AM

Not likely. Just think of his hatred for Disney.

olsonm · 08-28-2002, 02:20 AM

He wouldn't have cared too much. He did sell the film rights; he knew what that meant.

BeardofPants · 08-28-2002, 02:26 AM

Yeah? So? He still would have had ten thousand hernias. Just think how delayed the movies would have been if he'd had some creative control.

olsonm · 08-28-2002, 02:35 AM

He gave up creative control; he knew what that meant. He might have done like his son and just ignored it but he didn't expect a very literal adaption (esp. since in his time it would have most likely been made into one movie not three.), so I doubt he would have had any hernias. Perhaps a grumble or two.

BeardofPants · 08-28-2002, 02:41 AM

... or three, or four, or five....

Laurelyn · 08-28-2002, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Entlover
It doesn't matter. Without Tolkien's invention, these characters would not exist. PJ would be adapting Stephen King's novels, or something else. PJ's Middle Earth has Tolkien's ME as an essential foundation.

Ah. True. . . you're right.

Quote:

Originally posted by BoP Not likely. Just think of his hatred for Disney.

*hides*
*from hiding place*: Good point . . .

RosieCotton · 08-28-2002, 10:09 AM

I think that Tolkien would have accepted the recent movie. Not saying he would love it, but I think that he would have realized that it could have been A LOT worse. The movie was well done, MOST of the book was kept intact, and the characters, though slight interpretations, were still the same people that we know and love. Tolkien would have found things he didn't like, but as someone else pointed out, he knew what selling the rights meant. It could have been a lot worse. He's a smart guy, he would have realized that.

sun-star · 08-28-2002, 01:31 PM

I think (not that I would actually presume to guess) that he would have been really flattered by all the attention his work is getting. In a way, he's been justified for spending his whole life on creating this world (although his work is its own justification), because now people realise what he was trying to do. No one says he's a crazy old man writing fairy stories. Plus the money couldn't hurt

08-27-2002, 09:51 AM	#1
Frodo1990 Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 4	Would tolkien agree??? Would tolkien agree of making the Lord Of The Rings movie??

08-27-2002, 11:49 AM	#2
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	Depends on how it was done i suppose. i don't think anyone but toddlers approved of the Bashki (sp?) version. But the current is still pretty good. Well at least i approve. But then in a few years or maybe in a decade or two we'll be able to do even better, and everyone will approve. Or hey- maybe they will find a cure for death, and Tolkien can come back to life and tell us everything. __________________

08-27-2002, 12:16 PM	#3
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	It's sort of hard to tell. I have to agree with you LuthienTinuviel, this version, would, I believe be easier to accept for Tolkien. __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

08-27-2002, 01:46 PM	#4
Play Girl Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: If I told you I would have to kill you Posts: 159	I dont think he would. He would certainly endorse the making of a movie but I think he would want to change too many things - "What do you mean they cut out Bombadill!" This movie is PJ's image of Middle Earth not Tolkien's. But then again we will never know if Tolkien would have loved it and gone out and bought an Orc action figure. luv Play Girl xxx __________________ "Off the Record On the Q-T And very HUSH HUSH" Frodo lives!

08-27-2002, 02:04 PM	#5
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Im sure tolkien woulf of appreciated the something like 900% increase in sales of his books. He said once i think that they could cut tom in a movie as it does not make sence. If he was alive today i think he would also accept Arwen. It depends on weather he understood movies no doubt he understood books but what makes a good movie and what makes a book are two diffrent things. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-27-2002, 03:18 PM	#6
Urksnik the Sleek Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: under the misty mountains Posts: 33	I suspect that Tolkien would have wanted some form of artistic or production say in any film made during his life. At least if that had happened, it would have silenced at least some of the critics.

08-27-2002, 03:57 PM	#7
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i think that this can bring up another question, would we be able to debate things like arwen or even the elvish saddle, or beard thing? __________________

08-27-2002, 06:33 PM	#8
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Wow, that's a tough one. I'm hoping Tolkien would love it considering how much effort these people put into making it come alive. I think he would appreciate it to some extent, but some things might make him a little upset or probably just make him laugh.

08-27-2002, 06:37 PM	#9
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	i heard once he was a bit of a ****. So he probably would of loved it . The best way to judge this is by the reaction of his son hmmmmmmm we are still waiting for comment __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-27-2002, 07:50 PM	#10
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	There's somewhere in his Letters where he says a play of the LotR could not be made, and I can't remember the reason but it was something that time has made irrelevant. Perhaps it was that the special effects would be cheesy -- or that the distances involved could not be shown adequately -- whatever it was, the passage of time and innovation in special effects has made his concern irrelevant. I think he would be thrilled with the job PJ has done. How cool to see your characters come to life!

08-27-2002, 08:03 PM	#11
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	"How cool to see your characters come to life." I don't know about that . . . once the necessary changes have been made to adapt them to the screen, are they really still his beautiful realities, or PJ's interpretations? He would understand most of the changes that were made, I believe, because really many of the fan-hated alterations had to be done to make rhe movie a good one. Surely, he'd be smart enough to deal with the fact that what works on paper don't always work on the ol' silver screen. As for some of the holly-woody changes, that's what people expect, and to succeed one must use what they are given -- it's what many people want. PJ and crew want to A) make a lot of money and B) cater to his fans as best he can. It's a good movie, yes. It's not exactly Tolkien's Middle Earth, but it's a good movie. But that of it which is middle earth comes very close - close as a movie can -- to the beauty of the written Arda. I think he would appreciate that. __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

08-28-2002, 01:37 AM	#13
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Not likely. Just think of his hatred for Disney. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-28-2002, 02:20 AM	#14
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	He wouldn't have cared too much. He did sell the film rights; he knew what that meant. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-28-2002, 02:26 AM	#15
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yeah? So? He still would have had ten thousand hernias. Just think how delayed the movies would have been if he'd had some creative control. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-28-2002, 02:35 AM	#16
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	He gave up creative control; he knew what that meant. He might have done like his son and just ignored it but he didn't expect a very literal adaption (esp. since in his time it would have most likely been made into one movie not three.), so I doubt he would have had any hernias. Perhaps a grumble or two. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

08-28-2002, 02:41 AM	#17
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	... or three, or four, or five.... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-28-2002, 10:09 AM	#19
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	I think that Tolkien would have accepted the recent movie. Not saying he would love it, but I think that he would have realized that it could have been A LOT worse. The movie was well done, MOST of the book was kept intact, and the characters, though slight interpretations, were still the same people that we know and love. Tolkien would have found things he didn't like, but as someone else pointed out, he knew what selling the rights meant. It could have been a lot worse. He's a smart guy, he would have realized that. __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

08-28-2002, 01:31 PM	#20
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I think (not that I would actually presume to guess) that he would have been really flattered by all the attention his work is getting. In a way, he's been justified for spending his whole life on creating this world (although his work is its own justification), because now people realise what he was trying to do. No one says he's a crazy old man writing fairy stories. Plus the money couldn't hurt __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

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