One-of-a-Kind Friendship?

Varda-Me · 05-25-2002, 02:01 AM

Frodo and Sam are among the great friendships of literature. What other great friendships are there in literature? Certainly no one in Gone With the Wind would rate. Or the Grapes of Wrath. Anyone in Shakespeare? The Brontes - no, not really. So, who, then? In my opinion, Sam and Frodo had one-of-a-kind friendship.....

Nienna Grey · 05-25-2002, 02:47 AM

I agree that Frodo and Sam shared a very special, unique friendship and off the top of my head I can't think of any parallels in any other literature. You'd probably have to look to books about comrades in the war to find anything which came close.

What they went through together and Sam's extraordinary loyalty helped forge their friendship. They were mutually dependent and helped each other and it was their friendship which ultimately saw them through the test.

BeardofPants · 05-26-2002, 01:15 AM

Duncan Idaho from the Dune Series, certainly had an unusual loyalty to the Atreides name, which spanned millenia.

Eldanuumea · 05-27-2002, 01:08 AM

One such friendship that instantly comes to mind is that between David and Jonathan in the Bible. Jonathan was the son of King Saul, whom David was about to replace. They loved each other like brothers despite Saul's hatred of David and many attempts to kill him.
The relationship between Ender Wiggins and the cyber-being Jane also comes to mind.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-27-2002, 04:33 PM

agh, never read past the second Ender's Game books.

One of the interesting things about Sam and Frodo, though, is that Sam is Frodo's servant. . .

cassiopeia · 05-27-2002, 06:22 PM

How about Lyra and Will from Phillip Pullmans dark materials?
I can see this tread going down a long and dark road if we keep talking about Sam and Frodo's relationship.....

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-27-2002, 06:57 PM

Well, Lyra and Will are different, remember the end of the Amber Spyglass. . .but you pointed that out already, I suppose

***azalea*** · 05-27-2002, 09:05 PM

What about Jim and Huck?

FrodoFriend · 05-28-2002, 01:07 AM

Mulder and Scully of the X-Files . . . it's not literature, but it's a friendship of that level.

I'd definitely count Will and Lyra.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum?
Beevis and Butthead?

How 'bout Han Solo and Chewbacca?

BeardofPants · 05-28-2002, 01:09 AM

Artoo and Threepio!

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-28-2002, 02:31 AM

I would have to disagree about Lyra and Will by the end of the books, because although previous to the end I would agree entirely, by the end they are-er, romantically involved. That's something different-similiar, maybe, but it's on a slightly different level from Frodo and Sam.

Eldanuumea · 05-28-2002, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
Artoo and Threepio!

For that matter, what about Luke and Han?
BoP, what did you think of Clones?

BeardofPants · 05-28-2002, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by Eldanuumea

For that matter, what about Luke and Han?
BoP, what did you think of Clones?

It seriously kicked heiny!

Have you seen it yet?
(Is the SF-Forum down?!)

Eldanuumea · 05-28-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants

It seriously kicked heiny!
Have you seen it yet?
(Is the SF-Forum down?!)

I've seen Clones three times and liked it, although not quite as much as Phantom menace.

The SF - Fandom forum has been down for maintenance since Saturday night...isn't it a bummer? The good part is I'm getting to know my fellow Mooters a bit better!

Mordomin · 05-28-2002, 11:49 AM

How about Elric and Moonglum from Michael Moorcock's "Stormbringer" novels?

Mordomin · 05-28-2002, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Eldanuumea

The SF - Fandom forum has been down for maintenance since Saturday night...isn't it a bummer?

It only seems like it's been down since Saturday, Elda. It actually went down at 7pm CST on Sunday....and was supposed to be back up at 7pm Monday. Personally, my money's on Wednesday.

Eldanuumea · 05-28-2002, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Mordomin
It only seems like it's been down since Saturday, Elda. It actually went down at 7pm CST on Sunday....and was supposed to be back up at 7pm Monday. Personally, my money's on Wednesday.

Memorial Day has my week all messed up....thanks for the correction, Mordomin. (The little wizard is cute.)

Strange-Looking Lurker · 05-28-2002, 05:58 PM

I don't think I was say that Han and Chewie had the same kind of relationship, even though they were probably just as close. But you didn't ever really see Sam and Frodo yelling at each other...

Mordomin · 05-28-2002, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Mordomin
It actually went down at 7pm CST on Sunday....and was supposed to be back up at 7pm Monday. Personally, my money's on Wednesday.

I lose! The SF-Fandom Forums are back up.

BeardofPants · 05-28-2002, 06:49 PM

They are?! I still can't access them!

05-25-2002, 02:01 AM	#1
Varda-Me Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 40	One-of-a-Kind Friendship? Frodo and Sam are among the great friendships of literature. What other great friendships are there in literature? Certainly no one in Gone With the Wind would rate. Or the Grapes of Wrath. Anyone in Shakespeare? The Brontes - no, not really. So, who, then? In my opinion, Sam and Frodo had one-of-a-kind friendship.....

05-25-2002, 02:47 AM	#2
Nienna Grey Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: England Posts: 62	I agree that Frodo and Sam shared a very special, unique friendship and off the top of my head I can't think of any parallels in any other literature. You'd probably have to look to books about comrades in the war to find anything which came close. What they went through together and Sam's extraordinary loyalty helped forge their friendship. They were mutually dependent and helped each other and it was their friendship which ultimately saw them through the test. __________________ "Mornie Utúlië Believe and you will find your way"

05-26-2002, 01:15 AM	#3
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Duncan Idaho from the Dune Series, certainly had an unusual loyalty to the Atreides name, which spanned millenia. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-27-2002, 01:08 AM	#4
Eldanuumea Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 123	unusual friendships One such friendship that instantly comes to mind is that between David and Jonathan in the Bible. Jonathan was the son of King Saul, whom David was about to replace. They loved each other like brothers despite Saul's hatred of David and many attempts to kill him. The relationship between Ender Wiggins and the cyber-being Jane also comes to mind. __________________ "Queen of Sweetness and Light!" - Mordomin

05-27-2002, 04:33 PM	#5
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	agh, never read past the second Ender's Game books. One of the interesting things about Sam and Frodo, though, is that Sam is Frodo's servant. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-27-2002, 06:22 PM	#6
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	How about Lyra and Will from Phillip Pullmans dark materials? I can see this tread going down a long and dark road if we keep talking about Sam and Frodo's relationship..... __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

05-27-2002, 06:57 PM	#7
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Well, Lyra and Will are different, remember the end of the Amber Spyglass. . .but you pointed that out already, I suppose __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-27-2002, 09:05 PM	#8
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	What about Jim and Huck?

05-28-2002, 01:07 AM	#9
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Mulder and Scully of the X-Files . . . it's not literature, but it's a friendship of that level. I'd definitely count Will and Lyra. Tweedledee and Tweedledum? Beevis and Butthead? How 'bout Han Solo and Chewbacca? __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

05-28-2002, 01:09 AM	#10
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Artoo and Threepio! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-28-2002, 02:31 AM	#11
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I would have to disagree about Lyra and Will by the end of the books, because although previous to the end I would agree entirely, by the end they are-er, romantically involved. That's something different-similiar, maybe, but it's on a slightly different level from Frodo and Sam. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-28-2002, 11:49 AM	#15
Mordomin Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 56	How about Elric and Moonglum from Michael Moorcock's "Stormbringer" novels? __________________ "Let's face it - chicks dig the Elf." - Sister Golden Hair

05-28-2002, 05:58 PM	#18
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	I don't think I was say that Han and Chewie had the same kind of relationship, even though they were probably just as close. But you didn't ever really see Sam and Frodo yelling at each other... __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

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BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	They are?! I still can't access them! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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