Who did Iluvatar let have the Dwarves?

Evil Angel · 03-28-2002, 09:35 PM

can somebody tell me if they know the answer pleaseeeeee?

Wayfarer · 03-28-2002, 09:44 PM

Aule?

Evil Angel · 03-28-2002, 10:00 PM

no, that's not right

Wayfarer · 03-28-2002, 10:04 PM

Can you restate the question?

What do you mean 'let have the dwarves'?

Evil Angel · 03-28-2002, 10:16 PM

I don't know how to, someone else asked me to find out earlier and just said to post this, but it's really important that I find out! I don't know, maybe 'let take the dwarves'???

Wayfarer · 03-28-2002, 10:23 PM

Nobody took the dwarves.

Aule created them, and illuvatar let him keep them. are you sure that's not what you mean?

Nibs · 03-28-2002, 10:31 PM

Perhaps you are referring to the sack of Moria or a similar circumstance of battle?

Wayfarer · 03-28-2002, 10:32 PM

Yes.. Could that be it?

Evil Angel · 03-28-2002, 10:38 PM

LOL, ok, how obvious is it that I don't know what I'm talking about?!

um does this Aule have a last name or anything? and if he created them then why did someone else tell him he could keep them??

Evil Angel · 03-28-2002, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nibs
Perhaps you are referring to the sack of Moria or a similar circumstance of battle?

umm maybe, can you explain a bit more about that please?

emplynx · 03-28-2002, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Angel
LOL, ok, how obvious is it that I don't know what I'm talking about?!

um does this Aule have a last name or anything? and if he created them then why did someone else tell him he could keep them??

Illuvatar - big god in heaven
Aule - little god on earth
Aule created dwarves without permission, Illuvatar should have smitten him and the dwarves but he had compassion.

Wayfarer · 03-28-2002, 10:47 PM

Basically, yeah...

Nibs · 03-28-2002, 10:53 PM

Your signature makes me very happy, Wayfarer. You can have both on there if you like.

Okay, Evil one... if emplynx's reply didn't answer it, I'll elaborate.

Moria was the greatest dweilling of the dwarves before a balrog came (or was it dug up?), slew Thorin (?), and it was overrun by orcs. However, I doubt that that's pertinent to your question because you mentioned Iluvatar.

Elf Girl · 03-29-2002, 10:52 AM

And no, Aule doesn't have a last name.

markedel · 03-29-2002, 11:10 AM

Just wondering by why doesn't Aule get a cool appelation a la Manwe Sulimo. Can we at entmoot invent, if only to please evil angel? Who knows some Quenya!

Wayfarer · 03-29-2002, 06:37 PM

He's Mahal in Khudzul.

Ñólendil · 03-30-2002, 01:53 AM

Aule's not the only Vala we doesn't have a second name in Quenya for. There's also Este, Vaire, Nienna, Ulmo, Nessa and Vána.

To clarify the Dwarf story a little more: Aule was a kind of Angel who wished to have his own people. Elves and Men were going to awake one day but Aule wasn't patient, so he made seven Dwarf Fathers and six Dwarf-woman. Trouble is, Aule didn't have the power of God so he couldn't just create people. He made the Dwarves, but they didn't have any independence, they were just like puppets. But Iluvatar ("All-father", God), found out about it, took pity on Aule, and gave the Dwarves true life, adopting them as his own Children.

Elf Girl · 03-30-2002, 10:14 AM

That just about sums it up.

Lightice · 03-31-2002, 04:30 PM

He's usually called Aulë the Smith, as that he is, and he's the teacher of Noldor.

Radagast The Brown · 04-01-2002, 02:40 PM

right, and his wife is Yavanna.

03-28-2002, 09:35 PM	#1
Evil Angel Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5	Who did Iluvatar let have the Dwarves? can somebody tell me if they know the answer pleaseeeeee?

03-28-2002, 09:44 PM	#2
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Aule? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-28-2002, 10:04 PM	#4
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Can you restate the question? What do you mean 'let have the dwarves'? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-28-2002, 10:23 PM	#6
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Nobody took the dwarves. Aule created them, and illuvatar let him keep them. are you sure that's not what you mean? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-28-2002, 10:31 PM	#7
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Perhaps you are referring to the sack of Moria or a similar circumstance of battle? __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-28-2002, 10:00 PM	#3
Evil Angel Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5	no, that's not right

03-28-2002, 10:16 PM	#5
Evil Angel Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5	I don't know how to, someone else asked me to find out earlier and just said to post this, but it's really important that I find out! I don't know, maybe 'let take the dwarves'???

03-28-2002, 10:32 PM	#8
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Yes.. Could that be it? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-28-2002, 10:38 PM	#9
Evil Angel Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5	LOL, ok, how obvious is it that I don't know what I'm talking about?! um does this Aule have a last name or anything? and if he created them then why did someone else tell him he could keep them??

03-28-2002, 10:47 PM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Basically, yeah... __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-28-2002, 10:53 PM	#13
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Your signature makes me very happy, Wayfarer. You can have both on there if you like. Okay, Evil one... if emplynx's reply didn't answer it, I'll elaborate. Moria was the greatest dweilling of the dwarves before a balrog came (or was it dug up?), slew Thorin (?), and it was overrun by orcs. However, I doubt that that's pertinent to your question because you mentioned Iluvatar. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-29-2002, 10:52 AM	#14
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	And no, Aule doesn't have a last name. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-29-2002, 11:10 AM	#15
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Just wondering by why doesn't Aule get a cool appelation a la Manwe Sulimo. Can we at entmoot invent, if only to please evil angel? Who knows some Quenya! __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-29-2002, 06:37 PM	#16
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	He's Mahal in Khudzul. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-30-2002, 01:53 AM	#17
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Aule's not the only Vala we doesn't have a second name in Quenya for. There's also Este, Vaire, Nienna, Ulmo, Nessa and Vána. To clarify the Dwarf story a little more: Aule was a kind of Angel who wished to have his own people. Elves and Men were going to awake one day but Aule wasn't patient, so he made seven Dwarf Fathers and six Dwarf-woman. Trouble is, Aule didn't have the power of God so he couldn't just create people. He made the Dwarves, but they didn't have any independence, they were just like puppets. But Iluvatar ("All-father", God), found out about it, took pity on Aule, and gave the Dwarves true life, adopting them as his own Children. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-30-2002, 10:14 AM	#18
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	That just about sums it up. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-31-2002, 04:30 PM	#19
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	He's usually called Aulë the Smith, as that he is, and he's the teacher of Noldor.

04-01-2002, 02:40 PM	#20
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	right, and his wife is Yavanna. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

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