Who is the Necromancer?

BurningHammer · 02-03-2002, 07:33 PM

In the Hobbit Gandalf briefly talks about a guy called "The Necromancer", he tells them to stay away from his dark tower. Who is the necromancer? Sauron?....

Findegil · 02-03-2002, 07:43 PM

Yes you are right. The Necromancer is Sauron. He was Named so before the Wise discovered that the Lord of Dol Guldur was Sauron himself.

Regards
Findegil

BurningHammer · 02-04-2002, 12:13 AM

thanks, I think its also briefly mentioned in The fellowship of the ring

Agburanar · 02-04-2002, 10:23 AM

Yes. Gandalf says at the council that "we learned that the Necromancer was indeed Sauron" or something of that sort.

Lightice · 02-05-2002, 08:09 AM

Aye. They first taught, that he was one of the Nazgûl, but when Gandalf went to spy him in his fortress of Dol Guldur, it was found out, that he was, indeed, Sauron.
Later on, when Sauron had fleed from there to his old residence at Mordor, it was taken over by one of his servants; Khamûl, the Black Easterling. Second in command after the Witch King of Angmar.

Brimvalir · 03-08-2002, 03:56 PM

The Necromancer is the form sauron takes when he is starting to move again in Middle Earth Gandalf enters his stronghold and discovers that it is sauron and gets the map from thorins dad etc ...

Lord OF The Ring · 03-11-2002, 08:39 PM

Yes I agree that the necromancer was sauron but i believe because sauron is always associated with dead people.

Wayfarer · 03-11-2002, 10:39 PM

I am, you insolent whelp! Stand before me and tremble!

markedel · 03-11-2002, 10:42 PM

Sauron wasn't always associated with death. He also's been associated with werewolves, vampires, door to door ring selling, backroom politics and large scale warfare. And he used to worked for Aule better known for his wife.

Ararax · 03-11-2002, 11:14 PM

you forget that he is the patron saint of lawyers

Ararax · 03-11-2002, 11:15 PM

hmm that may not be wise to insult them for if anyones gonna sue me its them

markedel · 03-12-2002, 08:34 AM

Sauron wasn't into law-think of him more as a consultant. Tolkien said he was a (very) overzealous reformer.

Ararax · 03-12-2002, 01:35 PM

over zealous sauron nah

barrelrider110 · 03-14-2002, 03:00 PM

He used to be a telemarketer.

markedel · 03-14-2002, 08:11 PM

door to door salesman actually

barrelrider110 · 03-15-2002, 09:38 AM

I didn't know they existed anymore. I thought they had all been wiped out by a plague sometime in the second age.

Christiana · 06-07-2002, 11:38 PM

evil computer guy

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 06-29-2002, 05:23 PM

Why would Gandalf even speak of Sauron. They weren't going anywhere near Mordor....I don't even remember that part in the book...

Christiana · 06-29-2002, 05:26 PM

Dol Gulder is in southorn mirkwood.

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 06-29-2002, 05:37 PM

but y would Sauron be there? (I'm relativly new at this Tolkien stuff.)

02-03-2002, 07:33 PM	#1
BurningHammer Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 22	Who is the Necromancer? In the Hobbit Gandalf briefly talks about a guy called "The Necromancer", he tells them to stay away from his dark tower. Who is the necromancer? Sauron?.... __________________ http://www.creeperslair.com/hayabusa.html

02-04-2002, 12:13 AM	#3
BurningHammer Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 22	thanks, I think its also briefly mentioned in The fellowship of the ring __________________ http://www.creeperslair.com/hayabusa.html

03-08-2002, 03:56 PM	#6
Brimvalir Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 103	Necromancer The Necromancer is the form sauron takes when he is starting to move again in Middle Earth Gandalf enters his stronghold and discovers that it is sauron and gets the map from thorins dad etc ... __________________ Swords are of no more use here ... All that is gold does not glitter nor are all those who wander lost......

03-11-2002, 08:39 PM	#7
Lord OF The Ring Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2	Necromancer Yes I agree that the necromancer was sauron but i believe because sauron is always associated with dead people.

03-11-2002, 10:39 PM	#8
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I am, you insolent whelp! Stand before me and tremble! __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-03-2002, 07:43 PM	#2
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	Yes you are right. The Necromancer is Sauron. He was Named so before the Wise discovered that the Lord of Dol Guldur was Sauron himself. Regards Findegil

02-04-2002, 10:23 AM	#4
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Yes. Gandalf says at the council that "we learned that the Necromancer was indeed Sauron" or something of that sort.

02-05-2002, 08:09 AM	#5
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	Aye. They first taught, that he was one of the Nazgûl, but when Gandalf went to spy him in his fortress of Dol Guldur, it was found out, that he was, indeed, Sauron. Later on, when Sauron had fleed from there to his old residence at Mordor, it was taken over by one of his servants; Khamûl, the Black Easterling. Second in command after the Witch King of Angmar.

03-11-2002, 10:42 PM	#9
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Sauron wasn't always associated with death. He also's been associated with werewolves, vampires, door to door ring selling, backroom politics and large scale warfare. And he used to worked for Aule better known for his wife. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-11-2002, 11:14 PM	#10
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	you forget that he is the patron saint of lawyers __________________ Woah Deep

03-11-2002, 11:15 PM	#11
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	hmm that may not be wise to insult them for if anyones gonna sue me its them __________________ Woah Deep

03-12-2002, 08:34 AM	#12
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Sauron wasn't into law-think of him more as a consultant. Tolkien said he was a (very) overzealous reformer. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-12-2002, 01:35 PM	#13
Ararax Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NEW JERSEY! Posts: 375	over zealous sauron nah __________________ Woah Deep

03-14-2002, 03:00 PM	#14
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	He used to be a telemarketer. __________________ “"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling

03-14-2002, 08:11 PM	#15
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	door to door salesman actually __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-15-2002, 09:38 AM	#16
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	I didn't know they existed anymore. I thought they had all been wiped out by a plague sometime in the second age. __________________ “"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling

06-07-2002, 11:38 PM	#17
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	evil computer guy __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

06-29-2002, 05:23 PM	#18
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	Why would Gandalf even speak of Sauron. They weren't going anywhere near Mordor....I don't even remember that part in the book... __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

06-29-2002, 05:26 PM	#19
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Dol Gulder is in southorn mirkwood. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

06-29-2002, 05:37 PM	#20
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	but y would Sauron be there? (I'm relativly new at this Tolkien stuff.) __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

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