Gandalf Leaving?

The_Real_Legolas · 02-01-2002, 05:41 PM

Why did Gandalf leave??? Where did he go????????????? why did Tolkien make him go???If he stayed it would have been better.

Comic Book Guy · 02-01-2002, 05:51 PM

I'm not sure if you are refering to Gandalfs departure from the Grey Heavens or from the entrance of Mirkwood, though seeing as this is the Hobbit forum I suppose the latter is most probable.

He left because he had to meet with the White Council which was being held south of Mirkwood, they had to discuss the Necromancers (Sauron) position in Dol Guldor. Eventually it came to be that the White Council drove Sauron out of Mirkwood.

The_Real_Legolas · 02-01-2002, 05:53 PM

[Inoldonil: Just a few question marks or one will do. So many really screws up the topic. It's best just to explain how you don't understand]

Legolas_BowKing · 02-01-2002, 08:10 PM

The_Real_Legloas is there any chance you are just saying all these silly and obvious questions to get your posts up?

The_Real_Legolas · 02-02-2002, 09:46 AM

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Wayfarer · 02-02-2002, 02:37 PM

Well... gandalf does explain it himself to bilbo.

BurningHammer · 02-04-2002, 08:11 PM

did the necromancer have a physical form or was he or it just uhh dark power?

Comic Book Guy · 02-04-2002, 09:21 PM

By the time of the Hobbit, I don't think he had the power or the will to regain physical form, so a "Shadow" figure would be most probable. By the time of the War of the Ring though, he had a Physical humaniod form. His appearance has been covered recently in a thread in the Lord of the Rings forum.

Twilight · 02-10-2002, 01:05 AM

I think he had a spirit form without any kind of physical body. It seemed like he was bound to wherever he was. His spirit didn't do any roaming around. I think he was confined to Dol Guldor, or Barad-Dur later on when he had to move. I guess he didn't really have an insentive to be moving around, so there problably isn't much proof for that one way or another.

Andy5190 · 03-06-2002, 05:35 PM

I heard from my friend that tyhe Hobit was boring.

Is it???

Twilight · 03-06-2002, 06:34 PM

It is a quick read. You should try it for yourself. I rather enjoyed it. It is a differant style of writting than the other books, but it is every bit as good in my opinion.

Khadrane · 03-10-2002, 10:57 AM

The Hobbit is NOT boring! It rocks! It's different, but it is still Tolkien's book, so it is numbered amoung my favorites.

Radagast The Brown · 03-13-2002, 04:24 PM

I agree with Khadrane. the Hobbit is one of the best books I have ever read (and I read 10 books...)

Nibs · 03-13-2002, 05:18 PM

The Silmarillion, Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit are all very different, but each contain endearing attributes. By far the most simple of the lot, it is, nonetheless, a very good read.

Wayfarer · 03-13-2002, 06:32 PM

Yes. The hobbit is more lighthearted and just plain fun, the Silmarillion is deep and sad and heart wrenching, while the LOTR is more adventurous and thrilling.

Wayfarer · 03-13-2002, 06:33 PM

Did you know that tolkien also began to write a suspense? Definitely one of the most talented writers of all time.

markedel · 03-13-2002, 09:11 PM

Which he said sucked badly and never wrote.

Entlover · 03-14-2002, 03:16 AM

Radagast . . .you've read 10 books?
I love you guys. I have cats who are older than any of you. And yet you can pull up special effects on the computer that it would take me days to figure out. So cool.
I haven't read the Silmarillion yet; I'm kind of afraid it's depressing. But have read the LOTR about 6 times.
I've read maybe 5 thousand books but LOTR is still my favorite.

Dwarven Sen · 03-14-2002, 06:39 AM

My Dad used to read the hobbit to me at bedtime since i was two but even then hobbits annoyed me i like the dwarves my favourite is balin i cried at the end of the LotR and towards the end of the hobbit. I prefered Orcrist to Glamdring but it went and got itself burried

bropous · 03-14-2002, 02:18 PM

When Gandalf left the Dwarves and Bilbo (Third Age Year 2941), he went to attend the White Council to the south of Mirkwood, as has been previously stated. The White Council was called to deal with the question of whether the "Necromancer", who had taken up residence in the tower of Dol Guldur in the southern part of Mirkwood, was actually Sauron the Great Enemy.

Ninety years prior (T.A. 2850), Gandalf had indeed found that Sauron was the Necromancer, when he went into the dungeons of Dol Guldur himself and found the withering form of Thrain, from whom he received the secret key to the side door of Erebor. At the White Council which was held the following year (T.A. 2851), Gandalf argued for an attack on Dol Guldur, but he was overruled by Saruman the White.

At the White Council of TA 2941, while Bilbo was skewering spiders with his Elven pigsticker, Saruman agreed finally to the attack on Dol Guldur, and Sauron, not being ready to face the Free Peoples, departed Dol Guldur and returned to Mordor the following year. Ten years later (TA 2951), Sauron declared himself openly in Mordor and began the rebuilding of Barad-Dur.

Hope that clears things up a bit. SOURCE: "The Return of the King", Appendix B, "The Tale of Years".

02-01-2002, 05:41 PM	#1
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02-01-2002, 05:53 PM	#3
The_Real_Legolas Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 100	??? [Inoldonil: Just a few question marks or one will do. So many really screws up the topic. It's best just to explain how you don't understand] __________________ One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them One ring to bring them all and in the Darkness bind them ****************************** LEGOLAS ROCKS & so do I! GO ARCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-02-2002, 09:46 AM	#5
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02-02-2002, 02:37 PM	#6
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Well... gandalf does explain it himself to bilbo. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

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BurningHammer Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 22	did the necromancer have a physical form or was he or it just uhh dark power? __________________ http://www.creeperslair.com/hayabusa.html

02-01-2002, 05:51 PM	#2
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	I'm not sure if you are refering to Gandalfs departure from the Grey Heavens or from the entrance of Mirkwood, though seeing as this is the Hobbit forum I suppose the latter is most probable. He left because he had to meet with the White Council which was being held south of Mirkwood, they had to discuss the Necromancers (Sauron) position in Dol Guldor. Eventually it came to be that the White Council drove Sauron out of Mirkwood.

02-01-2002, 08:10 PM	#4
Legolas_BowKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 115	The_Real_Legloas is there any chance you are just saying all these silly and obvious questions to get your posts up?

02-04-2002, 09:21 PM	#8
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	By the time of the Hobbit, I don't think he had the power or the will to regain physical form, so a "Shadow" figure would be most probable. By the time of the War of the Ring though, he had a Physical humaniod form. His appearance has been covered recently in a thread in the Lord of the Rings forum.

02-10-2002, 01:05 AM	#9
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	I think he had a spirit form without any kind of physical body. It seemed like he was bound to wherever he was. His spirit didn't do any roaming around. I think he was confined to Dol Guldor, or Barad-Dur later on when he had to move. I guess he didn't really have an insentive to be moving around, so there problably isn't much proof for that one way or another. __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

03-06-2002, 05:35 PM	#10
Andy5190 Sapling Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: internet Posts: 4	I heard from my friend that tyhe Hobit was boring. Is it???

03-06-2002, 06:34 PM	#11
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	It is a quick read. You should try it for yourself. I rather enjoyed it. It is a differant style of writting than the other books, but it is every bit as good in my opinion. __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

03-10-2002, 10:57 AM	#12
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	The Hobbit is NOT boring! It rocks! It's different, but it is still Tolkien's book, so it is numbered amoung my favorites. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

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Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	The Silmarillion, Lord of the Rings, and the Hobbit are all very different, but each contain endearing attributes. By far the most simple of the lot, it is, nonetheless, a very good read. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-13-2002, 06:32 PM	#15
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Yes. The hobbit is more lighthearted and just plain fun, the Silmarillion is deep and sad and heart wrenching, while the LOTR is more adventurous and thrilling. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-13-2002, 06:33 PM	#16
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Did you know that tolkien also began to write a suspense? Definitely one of the most talented writers of all time. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

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markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Which he said sucked badly and never wrote. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-14-2002, 03:16 AM	#18
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	Radagast . . .you've read 10 books? I love you guys. I have cats who are older than any of you. And yet you can pull up special effects on the computer that it would take me days to figure out. So cool. I haven't read the Silmarillion yet; I'm kind of afraid it's depressing. But have read the LOTR about 6 times. I've read maybe 5 thousand books but LOTR is still my favorite.

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Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	My Dad used to read the hobbit to me at bedtime since i was two but even then hobbits annoyed me i like the dwarves my favourite is balin i cried at the end of the LotR and towards the end of the hobbit. I prefered Orcrist to Glamdring but it went and got itself burried __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

03-14-2002, 02:18 PM	#20
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	When Gandalf left the Dwarves and Bilbo (Third Age Year 2941), he went to attend the White Council to the south of Mirkwood, as has been previously stated. The White Council was called to deal with the question of whether the "Necromancer", who had taken up residence in the tower of Dol Guldur in the southern part of Mirkwood, was actually Sauron the Great Enemy. Ninety years prior (T.A. 2850), Gandalf had indeed found that Sauron was the Necromancer, when he went into the dungeons of Dol Guldur himself and found the withering form of Thrain, from whom he received the secret key to the side door of Erebor. At the White Council which was held the following year (T.A. 2851), Gandalf argued for an attack on Dol Guldur, but he was overruled by Saruman the White. At the White Council of TA 2941, while Bilbo was skewering spiders with his Elven pigsticker, Saruman agreed finally to the attack on Dol Guldur, and Sauron, not being ready to face the Free Peoples, departed Dol Guldur and returned to Mordor the following year. Ten years later (TA 2951), Sauron declared himself openly in Mordor and began the rebuilding of Barad-Dur. Hope that clears things up a bit. SOURCE: "The Return of the King", Appendix B, "The Tale of Years". __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

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