What actor was least like their character from the book?

Legolas_BowKing · 01-27-2002, 06:00 AM

What actor was least like there character from the book?

To me i think it was Elrond. He just didnt seem to have the power and wisdom like he did in the book.

afro-elf · 01-27-2002, 06:25 AM

Yeah, I can see what you mean by Elrond.

However, for me it was Gandalf.

He seemed like a disshevelled, drunk, pedophile. He seemed to lack any wisdom or the diginity of an Istari. Did you see the way Elrond and Saruman dissed him as if he were nothing but an addled minded simpleton.

He seemed weak and unsure of himself. I only hope that it is to contrast him with Gandalf the White.

athelas · 01-27-2002, 07:25 AM

Definitely Arwen with her Xena elf thing. But we would have to watch the next 2 movies to find out if she really differs that much.

Elrond had that "Agent Smith" feel. I dunno why, but I just couldn't shake it off while watching him.

Rána Eressëa · 01-27-2002, 11:16 AM

Damn. I though Gandalf was one that they paid most attention to when making him like his character. Of course, ones from the "evil side" dissed him. They need to make themselves feel better somehow. Don't ya know that's how bullies work?

And don't mistake his silences for weaknesses -- that's never a good thing to do. I'm a smart, wise person, but I shut my mouth up most of the time. I feel like someone's steretyping me when they say stuff like that.

As for Elrond, yeah, he was "kind of" different. He expressed a little too much resentment for humans than the Elrond from the book. Other than that, he too still came off wise and knowing.

I think they royally screwed Arwen. But, then again, I have to admit I liked the change

afro-elf · 01-27-2002, 01:09 PM

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Damn. I though Gandalf was one that they paid most attention to when making him like his character. Of course, ones from the "evil side" dissed him. They need to make themselves feel better somehow. Don't ya know that's how bullies work? And don't mistake his silences for weaknesses -- that's never a good thing to do. I'm a smart, wise person, but I shut my mouth up most of the time. I feel like someone's steretyping me when they say stuff like that.

Rogue Elf PLEASE don't think what follows is a flame in anyway. I just know from experience that the written word can be construed in a manner that was not intended due to lack of vocal signals. And after I wrote the follow I thought it could have sounded rougher than I intended.

Elrond isn't evil and he seemed to speak down to Gandalf as if he were an insignificant ninny.

I never mentioned anything about him being silent.
I said weak and unsure so your stated is non sequitor.

Gandalf is an Istari. Not a inebriated seeming, paranoid,
undignified weeping willow.

Gandalf was a being of bearing, dignity, strength. He exuded these qualites. Gandalf in the movie was NONE of these things.[

Hapira_Brandybuck · 01-27-2002, 02:00 PM

while Gandalf did seem a little unsure, I think it worked pretty well because at first, he didn't understand much about the ring but as the movie went on, it seemed to me that he got an idea of what to do

I dunno, it's hard for me to explain but I disagree with it being gandalf

I think it was probably.... Boromir I expected him to be a little more... what's the word? defiant in a selfish sort of way I also imagined him blonde, but that's because when I read, I don't pay a lot of attention to physical descriptions of people unless there's a certain feature mentioned through the whole thing or if the person is said to be similar to a celebrity

Rána Eressëa · 01-27-2002, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf

I never mentioned anything about him being silent.
I said weak and unsure so your stated is non sequitor.

Uh, actually, I was just stating "if" you thought his silences were weaknesses. That's all. I never said that you mentioned he was silent

It's just you come off as if Gandalf was potrayed in a horrible manner and so far most people said he kept too quiet and never "fough back" persay and that's was made his character so different. I was just putting it in the context as what most people were thinking.

And as for pedophile...I'm not sure where you got that from...

FrodoFriend · 01-27-2002, 04:55 PM

Yeah, were does the pedophile thing come in? I thought Gandalf was good, except the "Is it secret? Is it safe?" scene, which was a little too . . . disturbed(?) seeming.

Arwen was the most different, but I liked her.

I think Gimli and Merry were the ones who got screwed over. Gimli came across as kind of stupid and incompetent, not at all sturdy and steadfast like he's supposed to be - randomly yelling at Legolas? Being pulled up by his beard? Getting caught off guard by Haldir? Not cool. And Merry just didn't get much to say, which upset me because he's one of my favorite characters.

Renille · 01-27-2002, 05:40 PM

I think Arwen was mutated into a totally different person. I don't know if I liked it or not. Hmm...
Farmer Maggot! They made him a big bad guy with a scythe instead of the wise but crusty old hobbit he really was.
For those who don't care about Farmer Maggot...
Gimli was changed for the worst. He reminded me of a shruken "Barbarian" from the 1965 movie "The Fall of the Roman Empire." Except they had blond hair. (don't ask...I'm watching it in Latin...)

Wayfarer · 01-27-2002, 06:15 PM

I would have to say that the most changed character was... elves.

Elves were completely different in the movie.

Arwen... was completely wrong in more than half her scenes. The 'love scene' was ok... but the dialogue felt wrong.

Elrond... sucked.

Galadriel... had way too much of a sinister feel.

aside from that... gimli was ok for the most part, gruff but still reliable. And elves did make fun of dwarves beards... The lothlorien scene was dumb though.

Gandalf... was somewhat bad. He wasn't as great and powerful as he should have been... but not as bad as he could have been.

ermm... go not to the Wayfarer with a question, for he will give you a half a dozen different replies.

luinilwen · 01-27-2002, 10:00 PM

my two cents:

i think boromir was wrong. in the book, he comes accross as arrogant in a proud sort of way, although in the movie he seemed ignorant and basically just a jerk.

i hated the whole arwen warrior elven-princess thing, personally. she's (tyler) credited for all three movies, which is funny considering she's not even mentioned in TT. i think she'll replace the dunedain in ROTK and possibly fight in the battle of the pelennor fields, but how they'll squeeze her into TT i'm not too sure...

i think the movie marred the characters of merry and pippin too. it seemed like they were only there for occassional moments of comic relief - hopefully this will only be used to contrast with their knighthood in ROTK.

Earendil · 01-27-2002, 10:55 PM

Galadriel!!
I'm sure Cate Blanchett would've done a wonderful job without all that flashing and looking like a photo negative.

Haldir was not at all what I had in mind, I thought he's nose was too big....

And Legolas' eyebrows didn't suit his hair colour... but I won't hold that against him

Starr Polish · 01-27-2002, 10:57 PM

You stole my quote

Yeah, the eyebrow thing may be distracting to some people, but it didn't bug me. I even thought his hair really was blonde until I saw a picture of Orlando Bloom at a premiere. I guess it's because my sister is a natural blonde with dark eyebrows. It'd be odd to dye your eyebrows, a la Jerod Leto.

Earendil · 01-27-2002, 11:19 PM

great minds think alike

...

yeah, i agree blond hair suits Mr. Bloom

can't wait to see more of Gollum!!! sorry.. I'm off the topic

Starr Polish · 01-27-2002, 11:23 PM

One of my friends said that Legolas looked like a girl. GRR!!!!!

Eh, she also fell asleep during the movie, so FEH to her...her opinion doesn't count.

luinilwen · 01-27-2002, 11:29 PM

great minds think alike yet fools rarely differ

i'm a bit of a fool (of a took) so i'll agree with you - i think cate blanchett was ideal for galadriel. i think she has this catlike beauty like a lioness... very regal, noble and powerful.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 01-29-2002, 03:41 AM

Cate Blanchett was a great Galadriel--but she would have been SO much better without that crazy special-effects stuff! They should have stuck more to the book there--and that way have included Nenya! But more to the subject, I think Arwen was probably the biggest change, and the only part that really bugged me was her line about "If you want him, come and claim him!" Which seemed incredibly corny and quite different from the effect I thought the Nazgul have on people. But some other big changes were Elrond being a little more sinister and Agent Smith-ish ("Mr. Baggins. You seem to have been leading two lives. One, as a peaceful Hobbit of the Shire, the other as the bearer of a dangerous magical ring. One of these lives has a future, the other does not."), Saruman seemed totally different, and...well, there was a lot of other stuff, which has all been mentioned, so I won't take more of your time

Eruviel Greenleaf · 01-29-2002, 03:44 AM

One more thing...
I know a lot of people who have said Legolas looked like a girl. Grrr to them!!

luinilwen · 01-29-2002, 05:47 AM

they only think he looks like a girl because of the long blonde hair... and the smooth skin... and his little mouth... hmmm i just had a friend over who said he looked like a girl but i think he (my friend) looks a lot like orlando bloom himself! he'd look like a girl too if he had to wear a long blonde wig!

Agburanar · 01-29-2002, 06:04 AM

Definately Boromir, although Sam and everyone else except Bilbo were wrong too, there was no way Sean Bean was going to play anything BUT the hero. Bad casting mistake I think.

Saruman was not good either, but I don't know if it was just a bad script, I think, for the most part, the casting would have been passable (but not good) if the script had been better.

01-27-2002, 06:00 AM	#1
Legolas_BowKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 115	What actor was least like there character from the book? What actor was least like there character from the book? To me i think it was Elrond. He just didnt seem to have the power and wisdom like he did in the book.

01-27-2002, 06:25 AM	#2
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Yeah, I can see what you mean by Elrond. However, for me it was Gandalf. He seemed like a disshevelled, drunk, pedophile. He seemed to lack any wisdom or the diginity of an Istari. Did you see the way Elrond and Saruman dissed him as if he were nothing but an addled minded simpleton. He seemed weak and unsure of himself. I only hope that it is to contrast him with Gandalf the White. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-27-2002, 07:25 AM	#3
athelas Enting Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Twilight Meres Posts: 87	Definitely Arwen with her Xena elf thing. But we would have to watch the next 2 movies to find out if she really differs that much. Elrond had that "Agent Smith" feel. I dunno why, but I just couldn't shake it off while watching him. __________________ Farewell sweet earth and nortern sky, for ever blest,since here did lie and here with lissom limbs did run beneath the Moon, beneath the Sun, Lùthien Tinùviel more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Though all to ruin fell the world and were dissolved and backward hurled unmade into old abyss, yet were its making good, for this-- the dusk, the dawn, the earth, the sea-- that Lùthien for a time should be. "I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."-Frodo FRODO LIVES!!! (erm...Sam does too, right?)

01-27-2002, 02:00 PM	#6
Hapira_Brandybuck Enting Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NW IN Posts: 75	while Gandalf did seem a little unsure, I think it worked pretty well because at first, he didn't understand much about the ring but as the movie went on, it seemed to me that he got an idea of what to do I dunno, it's hard for me to explain but I disagree with it being gandalf I think it was probably.... Boromir I expected him to be a little more... what's the word? defiant in a selfish sort of way I also imagined him blonde, but that's because when I read, I don't pay a lot of attention to physical descriptions of people unless there's a certain feature mentioned through the whole thing or if the person is said to be similar to a celebrity __________________ -Hapira Brandybuck 'My dear Frodo!' exclaimed Gandalf. 'Hobbits really are amazing creatures, as I have said before. You can learn all that there is to know about their ways in a month, and yet after a hundred years they can still surprise you at a pinch.

01-27-2002, 04:55 PM	#8
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Yeah, were does the pedophile thing come in? I thought Gandalf was good, except the "Is it secret? Is it safe?" scene, which was a little too . . . disturbed(?) seeming. Arwen was the most different, but I liked her. I think Gimli and Merry were the ones who got screwed over. Gimli came across as kind of stupid and incompetent, not at all sturdy and steadfast like he's supposed to be - randomly yelling at Legolas? Being pulled up by his beard? Getting caught off guard by Haldir? Not cool. And Merry just didn't get much to say, which upset me because he's one of my favorite characters. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-27-2002, 11:16 AM	#4
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Damn. I though Gandalf was one that they paid most attention to when making him like his character. Of course, ones from the "evil side" dissed him. They need to make themselves feel better somehow. Don't ya know that's how bullies work? And don't mistake his silences for weaknesses -- that's never a good thing to do. I'm a smart, wise person, but I shut my mouth up most of the time. I feel like someone's steretyping me when they say stuff like that. As for Elrond, yeah, he was "kind of" different. He expressed a little too much resentment for humans than the Elrond from the book. Other than that, he too still came off wise and knowing. I think they royally screwed Arwen. But, then again, I have to admit I liked the change

01-27-2002, 05:40 PM	#9
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	I think Arwen was mutated into a totally different person. I don't know if I liked it or not. Hmm... Farmer Maggot! They made him a big bad guy with a scythe instead of the wise but crusty old hobbit he really was. For those who don't care about Farmer Maggot... Gimli was changed for the worst. He reminded me of a shruken "Barbarian" from the 1965 movie "The Fall of the Roman Empire." Except they had blond hair. (don't ask...I'm watching it in Latin...) __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

01-27-2002, 06:15 PM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I would have to say that the most changed character was... elves. Elves were completely different in the movie. Arwen... was completely wrong in more than half her scenes. The 'love scene' was ok... but the dialogue felt wrong. Elrond... sucked. Galadriel... had way too much of a sinister feel. aside from that... gimli was ok for the most part, gruff but still reliable. And elves did make fun of dwarves beards... The lothlorien scene was dumb though. Gandalf... was somewhat bad. He wasn't as great and powerful as he should have been... but not as bad as he could have been. ermm... go not to the Wayfarer with a question, for he will give you a half a dozen different replies. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-27-2002, 10:00 PM	#11
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	my two cents: i think boromir was wrong. in the book, he comes accross as arrogant in a proud sort of way, although in the movie he seemed ignorant and basically just a jerk. i hated the whole arwen warrior elven-princess thing, personally. she's (tyler) credited for all three movies, which is funny considering she's not even mentioned in TT. i think she'll replace the dunedain in ROTK and possibly fight in the battle of the pelennor fields, but how they'll squeeze her into TT i'm not too sure... i think the movie marred the characters of merry and pippin too. it seemed like they were only there for occassional moments of comic relief - hopefully this will only be used to contrast with their knighthood in ROTK.

01-27-2002, 10:55 PM	#12
Earendil Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mount Gundabad Posts: 6	Galadriel!! I'm sure Cate Blanchett would've done a wonderful job without all that flashing and looking like a photo negative. Haldir was not at all what I had in mind, I thought he's nose was too big.... And Legolas' eyebrows didn't suit his hair colour... but I won't hold that against him __________________ I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

01-27-2002, 10:57 PM	#13
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	You stole my quote Yeah, the eyebrow thing may be distracting to some people, but it didn't bug me. I even thought his hair really was blonde until I saw a picture of Orlando Bloom at a premiere. I guess it's because my sister is a natural blonde with dark eyebrows. It'd be odd to dye your eyebrows, a la Jerod Leto. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

01-27-2002, 11:19 PM	#14
Earendil Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mount Gundabad Posts: 6	great minds think alike ... yeah, i agree blond hair suits Mr. Bloom can't wait to see more of Gollum!!! sorry.. I'm off the topic __________________ I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

01-27-2002, 11:23 PM	#15
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	One of my friends said that Legolas looked like a girl. GRR!!!!! Eh, she also fell asleep during the movie, so FEH to her...her opinion doesn't count. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

01-27-2002, 11:29 PM	#16
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	great minds think alike yet fools rarely differ i'm a bit of a fool (of a took) so i'll agree with you - i think cate blanchett was ideal for galadriel. i think she has this catlike beauty like a lioness... very regal, noble and powerful.

01-29-2002, 03:41 AM	#17
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Cate Blanchett was a great Galadriel--but she would have been SO much better without that crazy special-effects stuff! They should have stuck more to the book there--and that way have included Nenya! But more to the subject, I think Arwen was probably the biggest change, and the only part that really bugged me was her line about "If you want him, come and claim him!" Which seemed incredibly corny and quite different from the effect I thought the Nazgul have on people. But some other big changes were Elrond being a little more sinister and Agent Smith-ish ("Mr. Baggins. You seem to have been leading two lives. One, as a peaceful Hobbit of the Shire, the other as the bearer of a dangerous magical ring. One of these lives has a future, the other does not."), Saruman seemed totally different, and...well, there was a lot of other stuff, which has all been mentioned, so I won't take more of your time

01-29-2002, 03:44 AM	#18
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	One more thing... I know a lot of people who have said Legolas looked like a girl. Grrr to them!!

01-29-2002, 05:47 AM	#19
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	they only think he looks like a girl because of the long blonde hair... and the smooth skin... and his little mouth... hmmm i just had a friend over who said he looked like a girl but i think he (my friend) looks a lot like orlando bloom himself! he'd look like a girl too if he had to wear a long blonde wig!

01-29-2002, 06:04 AM	#20
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Definately Boromir, although Sam and everyone else except Bilbo were wrong too, there was no way Sean Bean was going to play anything BUT the hero. Bad casting mistake I think. Saruman was not good either, but I don't know if it was just a bad script, I think, for the most part, the casting would have been passable (but not good) if the script had been better.

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