Nominations and Awards for FotR

Pailan · 01-24-2002, 12:34 PM

OK Lets get this thread going. It seems that Peter Jackson and company's efforts are being rewarded with nominations and some awards.

So please feel free to add what you find and to add your comments.

My thoughts are running something like this:
that FotR won't grab any Oscars this go around. That the true recognition for the movies won't be until all three have been run. And that will only be possible if each movie is better than the one that preceeded it.

Let's start of with the Golden Globes:
4 nominations, 0 awards

Pailan · 01-24-2002, 01:07 PM

However at the Golden Satellites awards on the 19th FotR had 9 nominations and took home 4 awards.

FotR won in these categories:

-Best film editing
-Best film (animated/mixed media)
-Best sound
-Best visual effects

And missed in these:

-Best cinematography
-Best costume design
-Best supporting actor (McKellen)
-Best adapted screenplay
-Best art direction

The Best Film award however comes with subcategory status, which I think is cheesey.

jerseydevil · 01-24-2002, 01:20 PM

How is it an animated/mixed media film?? If they're referring to the CGI - then almost every movie made today is a mixed media film. One thing - they should have used CGI to remove Pippin or Merry's fillings when Gandalf pulls them up by the ears at Bilbo's party. With all the CGI work - you'd think they could have managed that. Or did hobbits have dentistry?

I personally think - without having watched a lot of other films that it would be against - it should win for...

set design
special effects
(possibly)costuming
Best Sound

I'm very glad it did not win for "Best Adapted Screen Play". And it's by far not the best movie of all time or even of this year.

Pailan · 01-28-2002, 08:50 AM

I was reading today on the net, (Southland Times from NZ, I think that's my source) that knowledgeable folk in the movie biz think thta FotR will pick up 13 awards at the Academy Awards this year. Of that total, it is thought to stand a good chance at winning 6 or 7 of them, with a real crack at Best Picture of the Year. This is very heartning news.

Has anyone else heard similar buzz going on?

Gerbil · 01-28-2002, 01:06 PM

I've not heard that

Wouldn't it be fantastic if FotR won 'em all?
Mind you, I'll be happy as long as FotR gets lots of nominations (not really sure how it can fail to) and HP gets none

On an aside about the CGI stuff, here's an old but (almost) interesting aside:

The first film to use CGI was, of course, Tron.
BUT it was disqualified from being nominated for oscars because it used CGI - at that time they felt it was cheating

Pailan · 01-28-2002, 01:17 PM

Here's the bit about Oscar possibilities for FotR. Try this link Southland Times

I snagged this through Imladris.net.

Pailan · 01-28-2002, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gerbil

The first film to use CGI was, of course, Tron.
BUT it was disqualified from being nominated for oscars because it used CGI - at that time they felt it was cheating

I guess some awards still feel that way hence the "mixed media" divisions.

Gerbil · 01-28-2002, 01:34 PM

Heh, came across this and thought I'd better post it simply because some of the negative comments about FotR are so funny

http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0120737

Man, don't they understand that films that wind them up that much must be better than films that fill you with apathy? Any reaction is better than no reaction

I have this huge mental image of some pre-pubescent american boy who didn't get the toys he wanted for Xmas writing these comments, determined to take his vitriol out on the world in general!

FoolofaTook · 01-28-2002, 05:43 PM

I hope FOTR wins some oscars, it deserves them. It was an amazing movie. I don't know what some of those jackasses are talking about on that site. OOOh that movie was too long! OOh that movie was boring, it wasn't a good story

. What a load of ****. Those people don't know what they are talking about. The movie was great.

Gerbil · 01-28-2002, 06:04 PM

Just read there's a fair chance that FotR will be nominated for up to 13 awards at the errrr Baftas I think. English awards stuff.
So we don't have to suck up to the US filmies, cos we ain't got a film scene worth diddly

jerseydevil · 01-28-2002, 07:13 PM

Well I've seen A Beautiful Mind, okay it was also filmed down the street from me, but I don't think FOTR is going to beat it out for Best Picture. I'd be really really surprised if A Beautiful Mind didn't win.

For LOTR there is always next year and year after still. I would like it to win - but I just don't think it comes up to Best Picture quality for this year. And I don't think if it was against Excalibur - it would have won either.

Okay - on the IMDB comments - I agree with some of the complaints. But this person - Michael Votto (mikevotto@yahoo.com) making the statement that he could have produced all three books of LOTR into a single three hour movie is complete idiot IMO. I haven't read all the comments though - but that one was just laughable.

Peregrin Took · 01-28-2002, 08:00 PM

The 'brilliant' critic on imdb stated: "Or should I say the anti-ending. This may look unique in the eyes of cinematic idiots, but it was just unnerving. The ending was not an ending, it was an extended pause until next year"

What on earth is that guy talking about? He's complaining that PJ ended the movie badly? The ending (besides the fact that Boromir doesn't die until the beginning of TTT) is almost exactly right on. Its identical to the original ending Tolkien wrote for FOTR. I don't have it nearby to quote from, but i remember it concluding in something about frodo and sam going together into Mordor.
"extended pause until next year." Absolutely ridiculous. How did he want it to end? "And then, Frodo and Sam quickly ran down from Amon Hen and destroyed the ring; along with the next two movies."?

jerseydevil · 01-28-2002, 08:36 PM

I think that was from one of the people I sat next to on Saturday who after the movie ended said - "I guess they're going to have a sequel". I know others have had the same experience - but that was the first time I heard someone say that.

***Fat middle*** · 01-29-2002, 03:51 PM

I'm very surprised FOTR has won that "Best editing" award that Pailan mentioned above. I think the editing was anything but brilliant: the movie has several roughs cuts and transition. The worst is obviously that of the Mirrormere, but there are some more.

Not that i'm concerned with oscars or awards, but the only awards i'd give to the movie (having enjoyed it tremendously and all) would be for Ian Mckellen and Ian Holm as leading/supporting actor, and first of all for the writers as best adapted screenplay: they have done a wonderful work.

Pailan · 01-29-2002, 04:29 PM

Well Fat middle, all I can say is that the Golden Sats. are not the Golden Globes. I have seen other award groups nominating FotR for best editing as well. When I have some time I will try and round them up and post them here.

If anyone comes across more awards and nominations for the movie, feel free to enlighten our discussion with your knowledge.

Meanwhile, I am curious as to what the Academy will nominate FotR for....

Pailan · 01-29-2002, 05:12 PM

I really should be doing something else but...

(ok this one is for hams...er, I mean Gerbil and his fellow Brits.)

Great Britian's BAFTA has nominated FotR for the following:

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Lead Actor (McKellen)
Best Adapted Screenplay
Achievement in Music
Best Cinematography
Best Production Design
Best Costume Design
Best Editing
Best Sound
Achievement in Special Visual Effects
Best Make-up and Hair

As you can see, FotR has been nominated for Best Editing, again. Must of done something right there.

Now if I only new what BAFTA means, Gerbil?

Then the British version of the People's Choice Awards are the Empire Awards and FotR is nominated for the following:

Best Film
Best Director
Best Debut - Billy Boyd/Dominic Monaghan
Best Debut - Orlando Bloom
Best Actor - Elijah Wood
Best Actor - Viggo Mortensen
Best British Actor - Sir Ian McKellen
Best British Actor - Sean Bean

Pailan · 01-29-2002, 05:18 PM

Ok, now for the nominations from the Screen Actors Guild for FotR.

Best Supporting Actor (McKellen - Gandalf)
Best Acting Ensemble.

Pailan · 01-30-2002, 10:58 AM

Ok here's the the Awards won by FotR as given by the Phoenix Fim Critics, taking 10 of the twelve it was nominated for....

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Acting Ensemble
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Production Design
Best Costume Design
Best Visual Effects
Best Song (May it Be)
Best Original Score

Not too shabby... ok it didn't win for Best Editing . I think things are boding very well for the Academy Awards. And the Oscar for Best Motion Picture goes to....

Thought and comments, please.

***Ben*** · 01-30-2002, 07:44 PM

Well, remember there are obviously going to be 3 films in a very short period of time. The Academy may want to wait to see the second or third installment before showering LotR with awards. There's no way that they're going to vote LotR 3 years in a row, and what if TTT and RotK are superior films?

daring gaffer · 01-31-2002, 06:25 AM

BAFTA rules
much more fair than the oscars anyway (ok so i have a grudge against the foreign films system so sue me

)

01-24-2002, 12:34 PM	#1
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	Nominations and Awards for FotR OK Lets get this thread going. It seems that Peter Jackson and company's efforts are being rewarded with nominations and some awards. So please feel free to add what you find and to add your comments. My thoughts are running something like this: that FotR won't grab any Oscars this go around. That the true recognition for the movies won't be until all three have been run. And that will only be possible if each movie is better than the one that preceeded it. Let's start of with the Golden Globes: 4 nominations, 0 awards __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

01-24-2002, 01:07 PM	#2
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	However at the Golden Satellites awards on the 19th FotR had 9 nominations and took home 4 awards. FotR won in these categories: -Best film editing -Best film (animated/mixed media) -Best sound -Best visual effects And missed in these: -Best cinematography -Best costume design -Best supporting actor (McKellen) -Best adapted screenplay -Best art direction The Best Film award however comes with subcategory status, which I think is cheesey. __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

01-24-2002, 01:20 PM	#3
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	How is it an animated/mixed media film?? If they're referring to the CGI - then almost every movie made today is a mixed media film. One thing - they should have used CGI to remove Pippin or Merry's fillings when Gandalf pulls them up by the ears at Bilbo's party. With all the CGI work - you'd think they could have managed that. Or did hobbits have dentistry? I personally think - without having watched a lot of other films that it would be against - it should win for... set design special effects (possibly)costuming Best Sound I'm very glad it did not win for "Best Adapted Screen Play". And it's by far not the best movie of all time or even of this year. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-28-2002, 08:50 AM	#4
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	I was reading today on the net, (Southland Times from NZ, I think that's my source) that knowledgeable folk in the movie biz think thta FotR will pick up 13 awards at the Academy Awards this year. Of that total, it is thought to stand a good chance at winning 6 or 7 of them, with a real crack at Best Picture of the Year. This is very heartning news. Has anyone else heard similar buzz going on? __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

01-28-2002, 01:06 PM	#5
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	I've not heard that Wouldn't it be fantastic if FotR won 'em all? Mind you, I'll be happy as long as FotR gets lots of nominations (not really sure how it can fail to) and HP gets none On an aside about the CGI stuff, here's an old but (almost) interesting aside: The first film to use CGI was, of course, Tron. BUT it was disqualified from being nominated for oscars because it used CGI - at that time they felt it was cheating __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-28-2002, 01:17 PM	#6
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	Here's the bit about Oscar possibilities for FotR. Try this link Southland Times I snagged this through Imladris.net. __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

01-28-2002, 01:34 PM	#8
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Heh, came across this and thought I'd better post it simply because some of the negative comments about FotR are so funny http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0120737 Man, don't they understand that films that wind them up that much must be better than films that fill you with apathy? Any reaction is better than no reaction I have this huge mental image of some pre-pubescent american boy who didn't get the toys he wanted for Xmas writing these comments, determined to take his vitriol out on the world in general! __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-28-2002, 05:43 PM	#9
FoolofaTook Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ??? Posts: 214	I hope FOTR wins some oscars, it deserves them. It was an amazing movie. I don't know what some of those jackasses are talking about on that site. OOOh that movie was too long! OOh that movie was boring, it wasn't a good story . What a load of ****. Those people don't know what they are talking about. The movie was great.

01-28-2002, 06:04 PM	#10
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Just read there's a fair chance that FotR will be nominated for up to 13 awards at the errrr Baftas I think. English awards stuff. So we don't have to suck up to the US filmies, cos we ain't got a film scene worth diddly __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

01-28-2002, 07:13 PM	#11
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Well I've seen A Beautiful Mind, okay it was also filmed down the street from me, but I don't think FOTR is going to beat it out for Best Picture. I'd be really really surprised if A Beautiful Mind didn't win. For LOTR there is always next year and year after still. I would like it to win - but I just don't think it comes up to Best Picture quality for this year. And I don't think if it was against Excalibur - it would have won either. Okay - on the IMDB comments - I agree with some of the complaints. But this person - Michael Votto (mikevotto@yahoo.com) making the statement that he could have produced all three books of LOTR into a single three hour movie is complete idiot IMO. I haven't read all the comments though - but that one was just laughable. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 01-28-2002 at 07:21 PM.

01-28-2002, 08:00 PM	#12
Peregrin Took Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NY, USA Posts: 6	The 'brilliant' critic on imdb stated: "Or should I say the anti-ending. This may look unique in the eyes of cinematic idiots, but it was just unnerving. The ending was not an ending, it was an extended pause until next year" What on earth is that guy talking about? He's complaining that PJ ended the movie badly? The ending (besides the fact that Boromir doesn't die until the beginning of TTT) is almost exactly right on. Its identical to the original ending Tolkien wrote for FOTR. I don't have it nearby to quote from, but i remember it concluding in something about frodo and sam going together into Mordor. "extended pause until next year." Absolutely ridiculous. How did he want it to end? "And then, Frodo and Sam quickly ran down from Amon Hen and destroyed the ring; along with the next two movies."? __________________ 'We mean,' said Pippin, choosing his words carefully, 'that it's no good groping in the dark. We could save you time and trouble. But you must untie our legs first, or we'll do nothing, and say nothing.'

01-28-2002, 08:36 PM	#13
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	I think that was from one of the people I sat next to on Saturday who after the movie ended said - "I guess they're going to have a sequel". I know others have had the same experience - but that was the first time I heard someone say that. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 01-28-2002 at 08:37 PM.

01-29-2002, 03:51 PM	#14
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	Re: Nominations and Awards for FotR I'm very surprised FOTR has won that "Best editing" award that Pailan mentioned above. I think the editing was anything but brilliant: the movie has several roughs cuts and transition. The worst is obviously that of the Mirrormere, but there are some more. Not that i'm concerned with oscars or awards, but the only awards i'd give to the movie (having enjoyed it tremendously and all) would be for Ian Mckellen and Ian Holm as leading/supporting actor, and first of all for the writers as best adapted screenplay: they have done a wonderful work. __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

01-29-2002, 04:29 PM	#15
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	Well Fat middle, all I can say is that the Golden Sats. are not the Golden Globes. I have seen other award groups nominating FotR for best editing as well. When I have some time I will try and round them up and post them here. If anyone comes across more awards and nominations for the movie, feel free to enlighten our discussion with your knowledge. Meanwhile, I am curious as to what the Academy will nominate FotR for.... __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

01-29-2002, 05:12 PM	#16
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	I really should be doing something else but... (ok this one is for hams...er, I mean Gerbil and his fellow Brits.) Great Britian's BAFTA has nominated FotR for the following: Best Picture Best Director Best Lead Actor (McKellen) Best Adapted Screenplay Achievement in Music Best Cinematography Best Production Design Best Costume Design Best Editing Best Sound Achievement in Special Visual Effects Best Make-up and Hair As you can see, FotR has been nominated for Best Editing, again. Must of done something right there. Now if I only new what BAFTA means, Gerbil? Then the British version of the People's Choice Awards are the Empire Awards and FotR is nominated for the following: Best Film Best Director Best Debut - Billy Boyd/Dominic Monaghan Best Debut - Orlando Bloom Best Actor - Elijah Wood Best Actor - Viggo Mortensen Best British Actor - Sir Ian McKellen Best British Actor - Sean Bean __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives. Last edited by Pailan : 01-29-2002 at 05:30 PM.

01-29-2002, 05:18 PM	#17
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	Ok, now for the nominations from the Screen Actors Guild for FotR. Best Supporting Actor (McKellen - Gandalf) Best Acting Ensemble. __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives.

01-30-2002, 10:58 AM	#18
Pailan Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aisle 12, seat#2 Posts: 449	Awards this time Ok here's the the Awards won by FotR as given by the Phoenix Fim Critics, taking 10 of the twelve it was nominated for.... Best Picture Best Director Best Acting Ensemble Best Adapted Screenplay Best Cinematography Best Production Design Best Costume Design Best Visual Effects Best Song (May it Be) Best Original Score Not too shabby... ok it didn't win for Best Editing . I think things are boding very well for the Academy Awards. And the Oscar for Best Motion Picture goes to.... Thought and comments, please. __________________ "Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives. Last edited by Pailan : 01-30-2002 at 11:40 AM.

01-30-2002, 07:44 PM	#19
*Ben* Retired Ent Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 60,631	Well, remember there are obviously going to be 3 films in a very short period of time. The Academy may want to wait to see the second or third installment before showering LotR with awards. There's no way that they're going to vote LotR 3 years in a row, and what if TTT and RotK are superior films? __________________ ---Ben formerly known in the forums as bmilder Owner of The Tolkien Trail and Entmoot. Buy Entmoot shirts and mugs!

01-31-2002, 06:25 AM	#20
daring gaffer Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10	BAFTA rules much more fair than the oscars anyway (ok so i have a grudge against the foreign films system so sue me ) __________________ There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

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