Gandalf's ring

Prince Faramir · 12-26-2001, 02:04 PM

Did anyone notice - I believe this to be a bit of genius by Jackson - when Gandalf is in Sarumans study, he has his hand on the staff and you see the ring. But a cut back later and the ring has disappeared. I am sure I didn't just imagine this.

Did anyone else see this bit in the film, and/or other small hints like it on other characters?

Prince Faramir · 12-27-2001, 11:09 AM

I'm an Enting.

But no one wants to reply to my posts

Darth Tater · 12-27-2001, 11:25 AM

Either that, or you're just far too observant for the rest of us

Comic Book Guy · 12-27-2001, 05:34 PM

You can clearly see Nenya, Galadriel's ring on her finger when she waves goodbye to Frodo.

bropous · 12-27-2001, 06:37 PM

Isn't Galadriel's ring Narya?

I had not noticed the missing ring on Gandalf's finger. Good call.

CaranIstar · 12-29-2001, 10:31 AM

Gandalf's ring is Narya, and Galadriel's ring is Nenya. What was the third ring?

Prince Faramir · 12-29-2001, 11:00 AM

in the sun [ a terrible, terrible paper in britain] it says there are many mistakes in the film. one being the fact that his ring is there one cut and not the next. personally i think this was there on purpuse.

bropous · 12-29-2001, 01:24 PM

I can admit that the missing Varya was a slip of continuity. I am, however, intrigued by my fellow hobbit's assertion that this was done purposely. I am curious as to why you think this was?

Prince Faramir · 12-29-2001, 02:35 PM

Saruman never knew that Gandalf had this ring, and it becomes a crucial part of Gandalf and his re-appearing later in the book/film: Saruman wanted the one ring, Gandalf resisted the lure, even as a ring bearer - Gandalf ending up as the pure white, Saruman changing to one of many Colours - leaving the path of wisdom.

The hint at Gandalf having the ring is interesting as it is when Saruman is talking about Sauron etc. Also this isn't no micky-mouse Parry Hotter film(oooo the controversy

), this is Peter jackson and i believe the clue was there. We see Galadriel's ring quite clearly, but Gandalf's ring obscurely.....

clever filming and a top film. After a second viewing i have decided Pippin and Merry are extremely well casted and are excellent characters.

bropous · 12-29-2001, 02:46 PM

I'm not so sure I follow here.

Are you suggesting that Gandalf maybe pocketed the ring of power between cuts? Recall the original observation, that the ring is clearly on his hand, and after the cutaway, it is gone. Not that he was wearing the ring in another scene and then was not wearing it when he was at Orthanc.

I can certainly understand Gandalf not wanting Saruman to know he had one of the three elven rings. However, I think this may have been one of those tiny slips of continuity, an accident, rather than by design. Even in a film by Peter Jackson. :- )

Prince Faramir · 12-29-2001, 02:49 PM

I think he can hide it from most people's view, but Jackson is letting us see it. I really cannot think something as important as Gandalf's ring would be messed up in the editing like that

the agile viewer will see that Gandalf has a ring - leading him to wonder what type it is: i would have if i hadnt have read the book!

fedos · 12-29-2001, 03:37 PM

Remember that in the book; when Frodo sees Galadriel's ring, Sam does not. Galadriel says that the only reason Frodo can see it is because he is a Ring-bearer. It is likely that Saruman cannot see Gandalf's ring because Saruman isn't a Ring-bearer.

Ñólendil · 12-29-2001, 04:02 PM

CaranIstar, the Three Rings were Narya, Nenya and Vilya. The Rings of Fire, Water and Air respectively. I think Vilya was the greatest of these.

Wayfarer · 12-29-2001, 04:04 PM

But saruman called himself a ringmaker. Does that mean he was unsuccessful, or that his ring was of a different nature than the twenty?

Kevin McIntyre · 01-02-2002, 04:11 PM

Did anyone notice that Aragorn was wearing a ring throughout. Is this the ring of Barahir, given to Barahir in the first age by Fingon and an heirloom of the line of Elendil?

I didn't notice Gandalf's ring, but you could see that Galadriel was wearing a ring as she extend her palm to the fellowship. If Gandalf was wearing a ring, I believe it was deliberate, after all this is a story of the rings of power, and I find it hard to believe PJ allowed that in as an accident.

Comic Book Guy · 01-02-2002, 09:58 PM

Aragorns Ring

12-26-2001, 02:04 PM	#1
Prince Faramir Enting Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cardiff, Britain Posts: 77	Gandalf's ring Did anyone notice - I believe this to be a bit of genius by Jackson - when Gandalf is in Sarumans study, he has his hand on the staff and you see the ring. But a cut back later and the ring has disappeared. I am sure I didn't just imagine this. Did anyone else see this bit in the film, and/or other small hints like it on other characters? __________________ "I'd Rather Be a No-one Than Someone With No-one"

12-27-2001, 11:09 AM	#2
Prince Faramir Enting Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cardiff, Britain Posts: 77	ooooo I'm an Enting. But no one wants to reply to my posts __________________ "I'd Rather Be a No-one Than Someone With No-one"

12-27-2001, 11:25 AM	#3
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Either that, or you're just far too observant for the rest of us __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

12-29-2001, 11:00 AM	#7
Prince Faramir Enting Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cardiff, Britain Posts: 77	i was right in the sun [ a terrible, terrible paper in britain] it says there are many mistakes in the film. one being the fact that his ring is there one cut and not the next. personally i think this was there on purpuse. __________________ "I'd Rather Be a No-one Than Someone With No-one"

12-29-2001, 01:24 PM	#8
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I can admit that the missing Varya was a slip of continuity. I am, however, intrigued by my fellow hobbit's assertion that this was done purposely. I am curious as to why you think this was? __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

12-27-2001, 05:34 PM	#4
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	You can clearly see Nenya, Galadriel's ring on her finger when she waves goodbye to Frodo.

12-27-2001, 06:37 PM	#5
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Isn't Galadriel's ring Narya? I had not noticed the missing ring on Gandalf's finger. Good call.

12-29-2001, 10:31 AM	#6
CaranIstar Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 32	Gandalf's ring is Narya, and Galadriel's ring is Nenya. What was the third ring?

12-29-2001, 02:35 PM	#9
Prince Faramir Enting Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cardiff, Britain Posts: 77	well Saruman never knew that Gandalf had this ring, and it becomes a crucial part of Gandalf and his re-appearing later in the book/film: Saruman wanted the one ring, Gandalf resisted the lure, even as a ring bearer - Gandalf ending up as the pure white, Saruman changing to one of many Colours - leaving the path of wisdom. The hint at Gandalf having the ring is interesting as it is when Saruman is talking about Sauron etc. Also this isn't no micky-mouse Parry Hotter film(oooo the controversy ), this is Peter jackson and i believe the clue was there. We see Galadriel's ring quite clearly, but Gandalf's ring obscurely..... clever filming and a top film. After a second viewing i have decided Pippin and Merry are extremely well casted and are excellent characters. __________________ "I'd Rather Be a No-one Than Someone With No-one"

12-29-2001, 02:46 PM	#10
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I'm not so sure I follow here. Are you suggesting that Gandalf maybe pocketed the ring of power between cuts? Recall the original observation, that the ring is clearly on his hand, and after the cutaway, it is gone. Not that he was wearing the ring in another scene and then was not wearing it when he was at Orthanc. I can certainly understand Gandalf not wanting Saruman to know he had one of the three elven rings. However, I think this may have been one of those tiny slips of continuity, an accident, rather than by design. Even in a film by Peter Jackson. :- ) __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

12-29-2001, 02:49 PM	#11
Prince Faramir Enting Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cardiff, Britain Posts: 77	hes a blinking wizard I think he can hide it from most people's view, but Jackson is letting us see it. I really cannot think something as important as Gandalf's ring would be messed up in the editing like that the agile viewer will see that Gandalf has a ring - leading him to wonder what type it is: i would have if i hadnt have read the book! __________________ "I'd Rather Be a No-one Than Someone With No-one"

12-29-2001, 03:37 PM	#12
fedos Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 25	Remember that in the book; when Frodo sees Galadriel's ring, Sam does not. Galadriel says that the only reason Frodo can see it is because he is a Ring-bearer. It is likely that Saruman cannot see Gandalf's ring because Saruman isn't a Ring-bearer. __________________ But the discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and again there was a war of sound more violent than before, until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer, and Melkor had the mastery.

12-29-2001, 04:02 PM	#13
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	CaranIstar, the Three Rings were Narya, Nenya and Vilya. The Rings of Fire, Water and Air respectively. I think Vilya was the greatest of these. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-29-2001, 04:04 PM	#14
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	But saruman called himself a ringmaker. Does that mean he was unsuccessful, or that his ring was of a different nature than the twenty? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 12-29-2001 at 04:17 PM.

01-02-2002, 04:11 PM	#15
Kevin McIntyre Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bree Posts: 148	Aragorn's Ring Did anyone notice that Aragorn was wearing a ring throughout. Is this the ring of Barahir, given to Barahir in the first age by Fingon and an heirloom of the line of Elendil? I didn't notice Gandalf's ring, but you could see that Galadriel was wearing a ring as she extend her palm to the fellowship. If Gandalf was wearing a ring, I believe it was deliberate, after all this is a story of the rings of power, and I find it hard to believe PJ allowed that in as an accident.

01-02-2002, 09:58 PM	#16
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Aragorns Ring

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