melian

afro-elf · 12-23-2001, 11:44 AM

in the SIL on page 57 it says that melian was a MAIA, of the race of the VALAR

but maia and valar were both aunir (SP?)

any thoughts on this?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-23-2001, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
in the SIL on page 57 it says that melian was a MAIA, of the race of the VALAR

but maia and valar were both aunir (SP?)

any thoughts on this?

I believe that she was of the Maiar of the Vala Yavanna. Yes, they are both Ainur, but, the Maiar are of lesser power then the Valar, and are their servants.

Ñólendil · 12-23-2001, 05:13 PM

She was actually of Vána and Estë, though one passage would seem to place her among the people of Irmo (Lórien). She was of the kin of Yavanna (and thus Vána also).

afro-elf · 12-23-2001, 05:52 PM

so OF here is sort of like OF the house of so and so

as in dune, duncan was of house atreides, though not of not a member of the duke's family

TinuvielChild · 03-26-2002, 07:23 PM

basically, yeah.

Wayfarer · 03-26-2002, 10:01 PM

you should probobly read it; Melian was of the same race as the Valar.

Now, moving on to more important questions:

How did beren get into melians girdle?
Did she, or did she not die in the sack?

Nibs · 03-26-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Wayfarer
How did beren get into melians girdle?

My gosh... I thought you were actually referring to a girdle, as in the elasticized wear of the twelfth century. I read that sentence about five times before I remembered what it really meant. Before I realized that, I just thought you were a dirty, dirty little man.

afro-elf · 03-26-2002, 11:22 PM

i BELIEVE says that she wnet west after thingol died thus her girlde was taken off

TinuvielChild · 03-26-2002, 11:22 PM

i'm not the only one to think that then?? well, we all know that deep down inside, Wayfarer is just a dirty, dirty little man.

Wayfarer · 03-27-2002, 07:00 PM

Ok, that was naughty of me. But believe it or not, I've heard people ask both those questions. ]: )

Nibs · 03-27-2002, 07:35 PM

Well, it would have been more clear if you had said "How did Beren get through Melian's girdle?" But I'm not really dirty... I promise.

Wayfarer · 03-28-2002, 06:27 PM

Yeah, right. Through melians girdle. ]: )

12-23-2001, 11:44 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	melian in the SIL on page 57 it says that melian was a MAIA, of the race of the VALAR but maia and valar were both aunir (SP?) any thoughts on this? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-23-2001, 05:13 PM	#3
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	She was actually of Vána and Estë, though one passage would seem to place her among the people of Irmo (Lórien). She was of the kin of Yavanna (and thus Vána also). __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-23-2001, 05:52 PM	#4
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	so OF here is sort of like OF the house of so and so as in dune, duncan was of house atreides, though not of not a member of the duke's family __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-26-2002, 07:23 PM	#5
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03-26-2002, 10:01 PM	#6
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	you should probobly read it; Melian was of the same race as the Valar. Now, moving on to more important questions: How did beren get into melians girdle? Did she, or did she not die in the sack? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-26-2002, 11:22 PM	#8
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	i BELIEVE says that she wnet west after thingol died thus her girlde was taken off __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-27-2002, 07:00 PM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Ok, that was naughty of me. But believe it or not, I've heard people ask both those questions. ]: ) __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-27-2002, 07:35 PM	#11
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Well, it would have been more clear if you had said "How did Beren get through Melian's girdle?" But I'm not really dirty... I promise. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-28-2002, 06:27 PM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Yeah, right. Through melians girdle. ]: ) __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

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