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12-22-2001, 03:05 PM
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Sauron
Was Sauron one of the Istari? I kind remember Gandalf saying that somewhere. It might have been in The Hobbit.
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12-22-2001, 05:08 PM
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12-22-2001, 05:22 PM
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No, I'm pretty sure that Gandalf called Sauron a wizard 'of his order' or something like that. It was somewhere in The Hobbit.
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12-22-2001, 05:42 PM
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12-22-2001, 05:46 PM
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The simple answer to your question is no.
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12-22-2001, 06:08 PM
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If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?! |
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12-22-2001, 06:11 PM
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He was the same basic type of being, though.
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12-22-2001, 06:11 PM
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Sauron was mentioned a few times in The Hobbit though. They called him the Necromancer.
P.s. Were all allowed one stupid question, right? 
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If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?! Last edited by Finglas : 12-22-2001 at 06:23 PM. |
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12-22-2001, 06:26 PM
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As long as you don't mention wings, green orcs, or faramir's death.
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12-22-2001, 06:37 PM
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How about pointy ears?
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12-22-2001, 06:48 PM
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I have a knife, so if you want pointy ears, that's no problem.
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12-22-2001, 07:09 PM
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You are just such a funny guy Wayfarer.
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12-23-2001, 05:30 AM
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wings, pointed ears,green orcs i get but what's up with faramir's death?
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12-23-2001, 11:02 PM
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The Istari were a specific sect of maiar sent to middle earth.
So yes sauron is a maiar. And no he is not an istari ,But quite obviously he was either created far superior to the other known maiar or he through some perverse wizardry has made himself more powerful. I think in the silmarillion towards the beginning it mentions the maiar and describes them and lists sauron as one of them not long after. But somewhere towards the end of the book it talks about the istari. But I cant recollect any references from gandalf about his race or order
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"We will have peace","Yes we will have peace...we will have peace when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark lord to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar,Saruman,and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me and I percieve only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just - as it was not,for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine, for your own profit you desired-even so, what will you say of your Torches in westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Hama's body before the gates of Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanc. So much for the House of Eorl. A lesser son of greater Sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewither for I fear your voice has lost it's charm. Last edited by CardenIAntauraNauco : 12-23-2001 at 11:07 PM. |
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12-24-2001, 02:28 AM
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Wayfarer was making fun of me while living up to his title, that nefarious dog.
 There is a horde of infamous ideas, theories, comments and questions of mine behind me, and Wayfarer remembers most of them.
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12-24-2001, 03:53 AM
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I thought the Necromancer was Saruman.
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12-24-2001, 08:54 AM
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Actually Saruman was still "good" in that time (or it was taught he was) and his powers were needed in driving Sauron from Dol Guldur where he had been playing the part of the Necromancer.
Sauron definately wasn't one of the Istari. Actually Istari were sent to Middle Earth to be counter-force of Sauron. Sauron was maia, that had pretty good part in Silmarillion as well, as servant of Morgoth. |
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